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<p>Paul claimed to be an apostle in his letter to the Ephesians (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:1&version=KJV">Ephesians 1:1</a>), but later on, in his second letter to Timothy, Paul declared that "<strong><em>all those in Asia have turned away from me</em></strong>" (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%201:15&version=AMP">2 Timothy 1:15</a>). In Acts 19, Luke tells us the Ephesian synagogue where Paul taught for three months and where there were substantial converts to Christ finally expelled Paul.</p>
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<p>One clear cut example is what Jesus says about idol meat to the church of Ephesus in Asia. In Rev. 2:14, Jesus clearly commends this church of Ephesus for rejecting the one who taught it was acceptable to eat meat sacrificed to idols --<strong><em> something Paul three times approved eating</em></strong>. (For background, see our <a href="/JWO/chapter-six-jwo.html">webpage</a> on this issue.)</p>
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<p>Thus, Renan's analysis that chapter 3 of Revelation implies the rejection of Paul in Asia completely comports with Paul saying that "<strong><em>all those in Asia have turned away from me</em></strong>" (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%201:15&version=AMP">2 Timothy 1:15</a>).</p>
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<p>Now turning specifically to the book of Revelation, we find it is written by the Apostle John. It starts off with the resurrected Jesus instructing John to send messages to seven churches within Asia (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=KJV">Revelation 1:11</a>). The first Asian church to be given a message is the church at <strong><em>Ephesus</em></strong>.</p>
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