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<td valign="top" ><span id="en-NLT-13599" class="text Job-31-34">Have I feared the crowd </span><span class="indent-1"><span class="text Job-31-34">or the contempt of the masses, </span></span><span class="indent-1"><span class="text Job-31-34">so that I kept quiet and stayed indoors? (Job 31:34 NLT)</span></span></td>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">It is one thing if Paul simply contradicts the Word of God and of our Master... the Lord Jesus Christ. See our article <a href="/topicindex/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html">Paul's Contradictions of Jesus</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But does Paul ever actually affirmatively teach us obviously evil and immoral commands / principles? Even if they don't clearly contradict the inspired word of God, are these commands / teachings so obviously evil and immoral that we must be repulsed by what Paul says? And if so, is this the Holy Spirit teaching us in our spirit to avoid Paul? And should we apply to Paul Jesus' warning about the false prophets to come who teach us ANOMIA -- principles that negate God's Law (nomos is Law in Greek) -- here His moral precepts written in our hearts? For "by their fruits you will know them" -- the false prophets. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt+7%3A15-20&version=ASV">Matthew 7: 15-20</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">You decide.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Nothing Is Unlawful; Expediency Is The Sole Test of Right and Wrong</span></strong></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul does not merely say the Law given Moses is defunct, nailed to a cross, done away with, etc. Paul gives us a new moral guideline.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul teaches a new morality based on what is "obvious" as wrong to a person led by the Spirit. (</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians+5%3A19&version=ASV">Galatians 5:19</a>.) The general moral test is: "<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">All things are lawful</span></strong> but <strong>not all things</strong> are <strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">necessarily expedient</span></strong></span>." (First </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+6%3A12&version=ASV"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+6%3A12&version=ASV"> Corinthians 6:12, ASV</a>). "All things are lawful for me." (First Corinthians 10:23.) "Happy is he who does not condemn himself in that thing which he allows." (Romans 14:22.) Issues of whether to observe </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Sabbath at all are reduced to sentiment of what feels best to you: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." (Roman 14:5.)</span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">It is as Bob George--a modern Christian radio personality and author of numerous books--said one day in response to whether illicit sexual acts in the Bible (which theologians call fornication) were prohibited:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p class="Quote" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px 30px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">And as Paul said, "All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable." So is <strong><em>committing fornication permissible? Yes</em></strong>. Is it profitable? No, it is not. (Bob George, <em style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 21px;">People to People</em> (Radio Talk Show) November 16, 1993.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">The proof that this is Paul's viewpoint is how Paul analyzed actual issues. He <strong><em>repeatedly used an expediency test to resolve what is right and wrong</em></strong>. </span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">For example, this expediency principle had its clearest application in Paul's reinterpretation of the command not to eat meat sacrificed to idols. He says he is free from that command. Paul knows an idol is nothing. However, it is <strong><em>not necessarily expedient</em></strong> to eat such meat if someone else you are with thinks it is wrong. So when in the company of this "weaker" brother, Paul will not eat meat sacrificed to idols. The test depends upon whom may be benefited or harmed by your behavior. In a word, the test is its expediency. </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> See </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+8%3A4-13&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; line-height: 21px; text-indent: 48px;">1 Corinthians 8:4-13</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">, and </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+10%3A19-29&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; line-height: 21px; text-indent: 48px;">1 Corinthians 10:19-29</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">. See also, </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2014&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Romans 14:1-23</a>.</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">As mentioned elsewhere, Paul's authorization to eat such unholy meat contradicts Jesus' prohibition of eating such meat in the Book of Revelation in messages to three churches: <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+2%3A6%2C+14&version=ASV">Revelation 2:6, 14</a> (Ephesus); <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+2%3A14-15&version=ASV">Revelation 2:14-15</a> (Pergamum); <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+2%3A20&version=ASV">Revelation 2:20</a> (Thyatira).)</span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But the point this time is not to prove a contradiction. Rather, it is to prove the <strong><em>immorality of Paul's notion that nothing is unlawful in itself,</em></strong> but the only reason not to do something is based upon whether it is inexpedient. <strong><em>This means you don't do anything where the costs exceed the benefits.</em></strong> But if lying, murder, cheating, etc., benefit you, such a moral principle of expediency cannot explain why one would not do those things. Hence, Paul's moral principle of expediency can allow him such errors as eating idol meat which was an offense to God, and excoriated by our Lord Jesus as immoral. </span></span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul's expediency test is evident again in his lack of concern for the letter of the original Law of the <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span>Sabbath. This was God's command to rest on the "seventh day" of the week--which in our calendar is Saturday. (Ex. 20:10.) On this point, Paul says in Romans 14:5: "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." It's all relative to how you feel about it.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Again, this illustration is not to prove that Paul simply contradicts Scripture. It proves Paul's rationale for doing so is immoral. Paul justifies his reasoning not on a new revelation from God about Sabbath. No! Paul appeals to a new moral law divorced from the written precepts of the Law. Paul made the new morality depend on what made you feel uncomfortable. If you had no moral qualm about something, such as working on the Sabbath day, you could do it. Just be sure you are "fully persuaded in your own mind," and do not doubt what you are doing is wrong, and this makes it right. Uggh!</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Such a princple itself deadens one's moral compass, and is thus an inherently immoral teaching. </span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">And do you think the same Jesus of the Gospels is talking to Paul, and taught Paul "all things are lawful, but not everything is necessarily expedient," or if you want to violate Sabbath and work that day, just make sure you are "fully persuaded," and it is hence ok? </span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But let's continue...It gets a lot worse.</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">God is good. God told us in the Law He "is not a man that he should lie." (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers+23%3A19&version=ASV">Numbers 23:19</a>.) However, if God revealed to Paul that nothing is anymore unlawful for man, as Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 6:12, is it now possible for God to lie too and deceive people -- particularly lost sheep -- to make sure they never find their way back to Him for salvation? If you believe Paul is inspired, God is going to do that very evil immoral act:</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Thus, according to Paul, God does not merely send evil prophets or evil messengers as a test, but he actually sends delusions...or lies with the intention that these delusions be believed so people do not come to salvation.</span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">In a </span><em style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000; line-height: normal;">Christian Intelligencer</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> article "Things Hard to be Understood Illustrated" (1821), it says Second Thessalonians 2:10-13 reads that God the Father is the "sender of strong and damning delusions," and one "cannot become an accessor to deception" by "sliding off by equivocations, and say God permitted the delusions." (</span><em style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000; line-height: normal;">Christian Intelligencer </em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">(1821) at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=jyMbAAAAYAAJ&dq=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&pg=PA59#v=onepage&q=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&f=false" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">59</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">.) </span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">No, </span><em style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000; line-height: normal;">Christian Intelligencer</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> says the text is too direct for Paul says God "sends" the delusion that men should believe a damning lie. So </span><em style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000; line-height: normal;">Christian Intelligencer</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> correctly asks:</span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 30px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">If they are damned for believing a lie, and believe the lie, because God sent the delusion, and sufficiently strong to produce its effects, <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong>in what character does it present the God of truth and love?</strong></span>" </span><em style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large; color: #000000; line-height: normal;">Id.</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">, at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=jyMbAAAAYAAJ&dq=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&pg=PA59#v=onepage&q=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&f=false" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">59</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">. <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">"[I]f the God we adore, </span><em style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">send </em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">strong delusions, where, beneath these heavens, shall we look for safety?" </span><em style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">Id.</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">, at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=jyMbAAAAYAAJ&dq=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&pg=PA60#v=onepage&q=delusion%20believe%20a%20lie%20blasphemy&f=false" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">60</a></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul thus clearly is presenting God as an EVIL CHARACTER. Uggh. </span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">The <em>Intelligencer</em> says the solution is to believe Paul meant Satan when Paul used the word God -- <em>theos</em>. That's how bad this verse reads. </span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But there is no basis to think Paul meant Satan when Paul said <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><em><strong>theos</strong></em>, God. First, Paul knows how to use the word <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><em><strong>Satanas</strong></em> when that is whom He meant. Second, </span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">this immoral claim about God is repeated by Paul when he says God has hardened Israel in unbelief -- a lost condition. Romans 9:6b; </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011&version=ASV" style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;">11:1-36</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">. Paul's proof texts relied upon God "numbing" people in the Original Testament (see Judith M. Gundry Volf, </span><em style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;">Paul and Perserverance</em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> (John Knox Press, 1990) at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=6kLwO0198Q4C&lpg=PA171&ots=Vug9CTGlWZ&dq=hardens%20in%20unbelief%20paul&pg=PA171#v=onepage&q=hardens%20in%20unbelief%20paul&f=false" style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;">171</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">). Paul misused the prior verse because it is not proof God makes people become lost and stay lost. Yet, the point is that Paul elsewhere makes a similar immoral statement about God deliberately causing people to remain lost as Paul does in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13.</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Hence, again, in this Thessalonians passage we have a blatantly immoral statement by Paul about the same God whom Jesus taught would seek out a single lost sheep to bring it to salvation. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15&version=ASV">Luke 15:4-7.</a>) <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></span></span></p>
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<h2><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Is It Ok To Deceive People To Bring Them to Christ?</span></strong></h2>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">A good introductory point to this topic is Proverbs </span><a href="http://ebible.com/bible/Proverbs%2012:10" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">12:10</span></a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> (NIV) which says "the LORD [Yahweh] condemns </span><strong style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: 21px;">a crafty man</strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">." We read similarly in Psalm 5:6: " </span><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><em style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 16px; line-height: 21px;"><strong>deceitful</strong></em></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> men the LORD [Yahweh] abhors." And finally, “</span><strong style="color: #000000; font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large; line-height: 1.3em;">Cursed is he who doeth the work of the LORD [Yahweh] deceitfully.” </strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://biblehub.com/parallel/jeremiah/48-10.htm">Jeremiah 48:10 (KJV / Holman).</a> Guile in God's servants would be sin, taught in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+14%3A5&version=KJV">Revelation 14:5 (KJV)</a>: "And in their mouth was found <em><strong>no guile</strong></em>: for they are <strong><em>without fault</em></strong> before the throne of God."</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Then consider Paul says in Second Corinthians 12:16:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px 30px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But be it so, I did not myself burden you; but, <strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">being <em>crafty</em>, I <em>caught you with guile</em></span></strong>. (Second Corinthians <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20corinthians%2012:16&version=ASV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">12:16</a>, ASV.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul elsewhere speaks of lies being a means of spreading the gospel: “What then? Only that in every way, <strong>whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.” </strong>Philippians 1:18. A similar cavalier attitude toward lying for the gospel is found here: “<strong>For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; </strong>why yet am I also judged as a sinner?” Romans 3:7</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Does it sound moral to anyone to use lies and deception to gain people to Christ? Only if you believe in what Paul teaches as the sole morality: </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">"<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">All things are lawful</span></strong> but <strong>not all things</strong> are <strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">necessarily expedient</span></strong></span>." (First </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+6%3A12&version=ASV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+6%3A12&version=ASV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Corinthians 6:12, ASV</a>). "All things are lawful for me." (First Corinthians 10:23.) </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">This proves that the most corrosive principle is that morality is measured solely by expediency. Nothing is supposedly wrong unless it offends someone or your conscience cannot bear it. </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Here, such a principle destroyed Paul's values as a young Jew to not lie or use deception in Yahweh's service. But in Second Corinthians -- the same community Paul in First Corinthians taught his immoral principle that 'all things are lawful but ... are not necessarily expedient' -- Paul shows what he is capable of doing with such an immoral principle. Paul boasts that he can lie and deceive them to try to make them 'Christians.'</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">What verse of Jesus comes to your minds? That after the Pharisees were done with their pupils, they made them "twice the sons of hell than they were." Paul, sorry, but this was an evil deed you boasted committing, and yet you held it up for praise in a Christian congregation. Uggh.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">This passage in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+5%3A9-12&version=KJV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">1 Timothy 5:9-12 KJV</a> is what prompted me to collect above the immoral evil principles in Paul's writings even if they don't contradict anything specifically in Scripture. In this passage, if you read attentively Paul's implication about younger Christian widows, <em>i.e.</em>, widows under 60, Paul says when they suffer from a "wantonness against Christ" they will suffer a "desire to [re]marry" which Paul says brings the Christian widows under 60 years of age "damnation" as this desire to remarry means they have "thrown off their first faith" toward Christ:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 30px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">9 </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Let not a widow be taken into the number [for charity] under threescore years old [<em>i.e.</em>, 60 years old],..</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">. </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">11 </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">the younger widows <strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">refuse</span></strong>: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ</span>, they will marry (sic: "<strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">desire to marry</span></strong>" <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+5%3A9-12&version=ASV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">ASV</a>); </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">12 </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Having <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong>damnation, because they have cast off their first faith</strong>.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">There is no basis to believe that this immoral principle was somehow garbled in translation. For Paul repeats a similar notion in First Corinthians 7:32-34 that somehow, by marriage to another human, we necessarily take our eyes off Christ, our spiritual husband. See our article<a href="/topicindex/99-paul-women-and-sex.html" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;"> Paul on Women and Sex</a>. Paul there teaches: "<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">The</span><strong style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><em> unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord</em></strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but</span><strong style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><em> <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">she that is married careth for the things of the world</span></em></strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">, how she may please her husband." (</span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7%3A32-34&version=KJV;KJV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">1 Corinthians 7:32-34</a><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> KJV.) </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul then in First Timothy 5:9-12 takes that First Corinthians 7:32-24 principle farther, and says a young Christian widow under 60 who had a "first faith" is damned for a desire to remarry. She is waxing wanton against Christ -- caring more for the "things of the world," and this will cause her damnation. Paul's principles are clearly immoral besides contradicting the Law given Moses that widows without exception are supported by the poor tithe paid every three years. </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Efforts to Mitigate Paul's Immorality by Mistranslation of a Later Verse</span></strong></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Be aware that some translations try to rescue Paul by making it appear he makes an important exception later at First Timothy 5:14. The NIV for example has Paul appear to make an exception for a young Christian widow who could re-marry to have children (and not to just be a helpmate to a man.) That translation still contradicts Genesis 2:18 which says it is ok to marry to be a helpmate to a single man; it implies that a woman or widow does no wrong if that is all she desires, and she has no interest in having children ... at least with the man's consent. But the NIV translates "younger (ones)" as "younger widows" when it does not say that. It is obvious that the NIV does so in order for Paul to allow younger Christian widows to remarry solely to have children despite that contradicting that friendship is the proper basis for marriage in Genesis 2:18. This NIV mistranslation is obviously intended to lessen the depth of the immoral principle in First Timothy 5:9-12.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">However, the King James Version has the correct translation, and has Paul only say it is ok for "younger women" (KJV) to marry to have children: "I<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> will therefore that the younger<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">women marry</span>, bear children</span></span></strong></span>, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully." (First <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+5%3A9%2C11-12%2C14&version=KJV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Timothy 5: 14 KJV</a>.) But you can see the NIV has it speak about "younger widows" (not "younger women") in this quote:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 30px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">13 </span>Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span> who talk nonsense,<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span> saying things they ought not to.</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">14 </span>So<em><strong> I counsel <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">younger widows</span> to marry,<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span> to have children, to manage their homes</strong></em> and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">15 </span>Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan. (First <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+5%3A13-15&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Timothy 5:13-15 NIV</a>.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">So here the NIV has Paul supposedly counsel the younger Christian widows to remarry "to have children, to manage their homes...." So to reconcile this to what Paul earlier said would require us to say Paul means the supposedy damning aim to remarry for younger Christian widows is OK as long as the purpose is to have children. The NIV version implies it is only a damning wrong for a Christian widow under 60 to marry solely for the purpose of being a helpmate to a man -- even though that is a legitimate purpose behind God's institution of the first marriage. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+2%3A18&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Genesis 2:18 NIV</a>.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Hence, this NIV version has a small exception to Paul's earlier immoral principle, hoping we might ignore that itself would contradict the Genesis' foundation to marriage. Thus, the NIV version still does not repair our groan against Paul's general principle as immoral. In the NIV version of 1 Timothy 5, Paul teaches that Christian widows under 60 are damned for desiring to remarry unless they desire also to have children -- a still reprehensible idea which also undermines the foundation of marriage in Genesis 2:18.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">But to repeat, the NIV form is an interpretation, not a translation, which is not revealed to the reader by means of italicizing <em><strong>widows</strong></em> as an addition. The Greek is simply "younger ones," not "younger widows" in First Timothy 5:14. See the <a href="http://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/5-14.htm" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline;">Greek tab</a> at this link.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Hence, Paul's principles in 1 Timothy 5 clearly work ANOMIA (lawless or immoral principles) when Paul not only denies Cristian widows under 60 any charity, but also damns them for their desire to remarry. If there is an exception to this, as the NIV claims by means of a mistranslation away from the KJV's accurate translation, it is only if a young Christian widow desires children in marriage rather than just friendship. However, if you accept the NIV's mistranslation, then Paul anyway thereby undermines the Law's allowance of marriage solely for companionship, as God instituted between Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:18, and not solely when children are in view. </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Either way, Paul gives an immoral principle -- <em><strong>young Christian widows are supposedly damned for a desire to remarry at all or simply for friendship / love, and hence should not receive any charity by Christians!</strong></em> The fact this principle also contradicts the Bible prior to Paul should not surprise us.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: x-large;"><strong>Obey the Governing Authorities</strong></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">James G. in May 2015 wrote an article that demonstrates the obvious immorality to Paul's command in Romans 13 to obey the governing authorities as if they were God Himself speaking:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">To those I am sending this to, I would like you to answer one simple question: Do you believe Romans 13:1-2 is the Divinely inspired word of God?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 60px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgement on </span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> themselves." (Romans 13:1,2 NKJV)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 30px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.3999996185303px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">As you are forming your answer, consider my thoughts on this: If this is the Divinely inspired word of God, then every American G.I. that invaded Germany to overthrow Hitler, brought damnation on himself, for he was resisting the governing authority over Germany. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">You may scoff at that and say, "But they were fighting to overthrow a tyrant that was oppressing the people of another country, and the G.I.s were not resisting their own government." Then consider George Washington, and the colonialist Founding Fathers of our country; they were resisting </span><strong style="color: black; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.3em;"><em>their own</em></strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"> governing authority King George III. Do you believe George Washington is in Hell right now for resisting the authority that God put on the throne? Or do you think God made an exception for tyrannical rulers? Notice, <strong>Paul makes no such exception in Romans 13</strong>. ... Also consider whom was in authority over the Romans when Paul allegedly wrote his letter to the Romans; it was Caesar (specifically Nero). Caesar-Nero was a known tyrant, and Paul was telling the Roman people not to resist him.</span><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: black;">I look forward to your thoughts.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large;"><span style="color: black;"></span><span style="color: black;">Jim</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Conclusion</span></span></strong></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Jesus told us we would recognize the false prophets, <span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><em>i.e.</em>, those who claimed to speak on behalf of God but who do not, when they teach ANOMIA - lawlessness or negation of the Law. (Matthew 7:15 et seq.) </span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul's immoral principles are lawless in the extreme. </span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">Hence, in obedience to Jesus, when you can see Paul teaches immoral lawless doctrine, you must reject Paul as a false prophet if anyone insists we must treat Paul's words as God's words. </span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.399999618530273px; line-height: 21px;"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: large;" data-mce-mark="1">And when we discover this problem, and if we thought Paul's teachings were otherwise inspired, how do we explain such evil fruit other than that the tree is evil at its core, as Jesus taught us? </span></span></p>
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