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<td valign="top" ><span>"The presence of anti-Pauline texts in [Matthew's] Gospel</span><span>, point</span><span> inevitably towards the conclusion that the evangelist himself [sic: really Jesus] was anti-Pauline</span><span>." D.C. Sim [2002:780]</span></td>
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<h1><span style="font-size: x-large;"><strong><span data-mce-mark="1">Messianic Dilemma Over Paul</span></strong></span></h1>
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<p><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: #800080;" data-mce-mark="1">Laura Question on How One Can Refute Messianics That Paul was Law Adherent</span></strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="color: #222222; line-height: normal;" data-mce-mark="1">I would like to see some articles written rebutting the Messianic explanations of how Paul is simply misunderstood and was really a Torah-lover, by Brad Scott, for example (</span><a href="http://wildbranch.org/" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">wildbranch.org</a><span style="color: #222222; line-height: normal;" data-mce-mark="1">). (12/24/2013)</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> Laura</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">I would not rebut them, for I agree with them that Paul affirms the Law and says he practices it. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The question is not the plausibility of their case, but whether their verses prove the insincerity / guile / deception of Paul when compared to other verses. </span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">First, in the book of Acts, Paul is Torah obedient (Acts 21 -- performs the ritual of Numbers 6 when James requests Paul to do so to prove Paul is not guilty of "apostasia" - abandoning Torah). Paul also affirms all the Torah in <a href="http://biblehub.com/acts/24-14.htm">Acts 24:14</a> before Felix. But in his letters, Paul is totally contradictory, especially in Romans 7:1-7. </span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">What explains the different impression one gets reading Acts (Torah obedient) and Paul's letters (Torah negating)? </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Well, the author of Acts was Luke. In Luke 16, he quotes Jesus affirming the Torah continues, and is not abrogated. Luke quotes Jesus affirming the Law in many contexts, and faults the Pharisees for negating it. See my article<a href="/recommendedreading/465-luke-is-a-legitimate-gospel-history.html" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;"> Luke is a Non-Pauline Gospel</a>. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">So Paul behaved around Luke who knew Jesus' position on the Law as one who adhered to it and perpetuated it. Luke was never made aware Paul did not truly believe the Law continued. Luke only heard Paul teach the Law continued. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">So Paul spoke one way around Luke who knew Jesus affirmed the Law continues, and Paul spoke contrarily around others whom Paul knew they did not care whether the Law continues. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">This is not mere surmise, for Paul confesses this behavioral tactic. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is what explains Paul's epistle to the </span><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Romans and many other places where Paul clearly negates the Law's ongoing validity.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul blatantly confesses that he pretends to be Law-compliant around those who think the Law is still in effect, but around those who are not Law-compliant, Paul will live like the Law applies but truly only lives by the Law of Christ, <em>i.e.</em>, apparently a euphemism for his conscience. I wrote an article on this: <a href="/recommendedreading/283-guile-in-paul.html" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;">Guile in Paul</a>. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So I agree with the Messianics. I wish they could convince people Paul was sincerely Torah-observant, and did not obey from pretense. But when the crush of opposing verses comes upon them, there is only one solution that explains the self-contradiction: <strong><em>Paul openly avows he practiced "guile" -- a nice word for 'deception.'</em> </strong> Hence, the passages in Luke reflect what Paul allowed Luke to see. </span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Pious Fraud Doctrine / Casuistry Doctrine in Roman Catholic Church</span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul is the basis of the "pious fraud" doctrine in the Catholic Church. This doctrine teaches, based upon Paul, that it is proper to use a so-called "pious" fraud to advance the gospel ... for the end justifies the means. See Charles Hodge, <em>Systematic Theology</em> (1871) at <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=uP0CAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA448&ots=yPhRSngAef&dq=pious%20fraud%20casuistry&pg=PA448#v=onepage&q=pious%20fraud%20casuistry&f=false">448</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul many times affirms "all things are permissible, but not all things are expedient." Thus, based upon a morality of expedience, combined with Paul's view on using deception for Christ (see <a href="/topicindex/283-guile-in-paul.html">Guile in Paul</a>), we see the pious fraud doctrine -- taught as the subject of Casuistry in Jesuit colleges until the modern era -- has a firm foundation in Paul's teachings. But for one who follows Christ, this must be repugnant. For Peter says, in Him was found "no guile." Jesus, not Paul, must be our example. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">And this same tactic appears often in Paul's epistle to the Romans where Paul begins by affirming the Law is good and no one will be justified who does not follow the Law. However, then Paul undercuts these statements by teaching the Law's nullification, and teaching justification is by faith imputing the Law's righteousness. This allows all the prior concessions -- which give the appearance of Law-adherence -- to fade into oblivion. The anti-Torah Paulinists are the ones reading Paul correctly. Yet, the Messianics are correct Paul speaks to the opposite position often. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">The truth is the Messianics are deluded by Paul's crafty deception -- a skill Paul encouraged and praised as his own practice -- incredibly enough.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Shalom and blessings,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Doug</span></p>
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<p class="aHl"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="color: #222222; line-height: normal;">Thank you for your in depth response. In my experience, most people moving into Torah Observance are under the impression that the only problem with Paul is his views on the Law as portrayed by the church, and so when these Law verses are explained away satisfactorily, they cling to Paul as inspired.</span></span></p>
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<h1 id=":14y" tabindex="-1"><span style="font-size: x-large;"> My Reply 12/25/2013</span></h1>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hi Laura</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In a sense, if they convince people to follow what Yahshua / Jesus truly taught, then they have achieved an important step. The problem then is how to explain the many blasphemies -- some unintended but others inexplicable -- that appear in Paul's words. See my article <a href="/recommendedreading/188-blasphemy-a-paul.html" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;">Paul and Blasphemy</a>. A blasphemy is any insult on God -- attributing evil to God even unwittingly, as the Pharisees did by claiming Yahshua's / Jesus' miracles were by Satan. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In that article, I summarize the top 5 blasphemies in Paul's writings:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">So if the Messianics believe they have kept Paul as inspired, and won over hearts to be Torah observant despite Paul, kudos to them in part. However, then they have created a bigger dilemma: <em><strong>how do they teach these pupils to answer each one of these major blasphemies found in Paul's writings?</strong> </em>I believe repeating a blaphemy is a salvation negating circumstance. It can also be the 'unpardonable sin' -- at least if it is exactly like the sin the Pharisees committed with Jesus / Yahshua -- attributing a miracle of God as a work of Satan. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Blessings and Shalom,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Doug</span></p>
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