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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Astoundingly, Paul never quotes Jesus’ words as delivered to him which are supernaturally delivered that involve any kind of substantive message to us, <em>i.e.</em>, a command, a moral or religious truth, etc., that we should adopt, etc. As we will prove below, the following are all the words that Paul attributes to the Jesus of Paul’s revelation from “Jesus”:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 60px;"><br />Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8..., I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. ...Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A7%2C+8%2C+10&version=YLT">Acts 22:7, 8, 10</a>).</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 60px;"><br />Haste and go forth in haste out of Jerusalem, because they will not receive thy testimony concerning me;...go because to nations far off I will send thee. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A17-18%2C+21&version=YLT">Acts 22:17-18, 21</a>, Paul’s “Jesus” telling Paul not to go see the 12 apostles / disciples at Jerusalem).</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 60px;">Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace. For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee for I have much people in this city. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+18%3A9-10&version=KJV">Acts 18:9-10</a>, ascribed to be "the Lord [speaking] to Paul in the night by a vision"). </p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 60px;">Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified of me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome." (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+23%3A11&version=NKJV">Acts 23:11</a>, "following night the Lord stood beside him").</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 60px;"><br />My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+corinthians+12%3A9&version=ESV">2 Cor. 12:9 ESV</a>, “Jesus” explaining why he will not release Paul from a torment by an “Angel of Satan” who uses a “thorn in the flesh” to keep Paul humble).</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">That's it. No other unique quote by means of revelation from Paul's Jesus to Paul is ever attributed by Paul to "Jesus." This includes the entire revelation outside Damascus or in a later trance or vision. This is true whether we look at Acts or Paul's Epistles.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">By contrast, the role of the true 12 was to be messengers of what Jesus taught them as commandments while He was among them, so as to make disciples of Jesus:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them... 20 and teaching them to obey everything<strong> I have commanded you</strong>. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+28%3A19-20&version=ESV">Matthew 28:19-20</a>.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">But Paul never served that messenger role to teach anything new that Jesus was supposedly only communicating through Paul. Paul never quotes Jesus in a post-Ascension revelation that involves a general message to us rather than an individual message only for Paul. This is true for both Acts and Paul’s Epistles. Paul is simply writing and speaking on his own about abrogation of the law, grace, faith-alone, predestination, etc., never ascribing his principles directly to a quote from Jesus by revelation.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Compounding that problem, Paul in his epistles never quotes Jesus except one or two times from Luke’s Gospel. The only other quote of the “Lord” (apparently the Damascus Jesus) in Paul’s epistles is a very odd refusal by Jesus to release Paul from an affliction by an “Angel of Satan.” (<a href="http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/12-7.htm">2 Cor. 12:7</a>, "angelos Satana") The latter involves no valuable message to Christians. In fact, the consensus is that it is very problematic. This response of “Jesus” to Paul should not be a guide regarding what Jesus would do for us if we made a similar prayer to the true Jesus.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Thus, Paul did not serve as a messenger of Jesus that was at all analogous to what the 12 apostles were commissioned to do. Then realize the word<em><strong> apostle</strong> </em>is from the Greek word <em><strong>apostolos</strong></em>. In Greek, it simply means <em><strong>messenger</strong></em>. Hence, while Paul claimed to be an “apostle” of Jesus Christ, Paul never actually served that role. Paul was his <strong><em>own messenger</em></strong> of what Paul referred to multiple times as “<em><strong>my gospel.</strong></em>” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+2%3A16%3B+16%3A25%3B+II+Timothy+2%3A8%3B+Gal.1%3A8-9&version=ESV">Romans 2:16; 16:25; II Timothy 2:8; Gal.1:8-9</a>.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">In Acts, Paul has a brief encounter outside Damascus with a light and voice that said “I am Jesus.” Then again in a trance shortly thereafter when Paul was in the temple at Jerusalem. Nothing substantive is spoken to Paul in either exchange. Paul recounts both speaking-events in one speech in Court — hence under oath. The bolded portion below is all that Paul attributes to the voice of “Jesus” out of the “light” in Event #1 outside Damascus:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. 7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me<strong>, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?</strong> 8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, <strong>I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.</strong> 9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, <strong>Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do</strong>. 11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A6-11+&version=KJV">Acts 22:6-11 KJV.</a>)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Then Paul attributes words to the “Lord” — apparently the same Jesus Paul met outside Damascus—after Paul arrived in Jerusalem and he was in the Temple, and fell into a trance. This “Lord” told Paul not to try to convince the 12 apostles that Paul had met Jesus in the wilderness outside Damascus. Hence, we read Paul testified to the Court in Acts 22 as follows about Event #2 — where the bolded words are from the “Lord” —apparently the Damascus Jesus:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">and I saw him [<em>i.e.</em>, the Lord, apparently the Damascus Jesus] saying to me, <strong>Haste and go forth in haste out of Jerusalem, because they will not receive thy testimony concerning me</strong>;..<strong>.go because to nations far off I will send thee</strong>. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A17-18%2C+21&version=YLT">Acts 22:17-18, 21</a> YLT.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">We know “they” is a reference that includes the Apostles due to what Paul and / or Luke writes elsewhere. First, Paul alludes to this Departing-Jerusalem-Without-Seeing-the Apostles-event again in his Epistle to the <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal.+1%3A16-18&version=ESV">Galatians at 1:16-18</a> where we read:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">I did not immediately consult with anyone; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas [i.e., Apostle Peter] and remained with him fifteen days. (Gal. 1:16-18 ESV.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Apparently, the “Jesus” whom Paul met did not feel He could convince the 12 apostles that Paul met the true Jesus. We will return to that odd fact later. Regardless, for this reason, Paul stayed away from the 12 apostles. As we shall see below, this persisted for three years. </p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline; padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 24px; text-indent: 48px;">Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace. For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee for I have much people in this city. (</span><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+18%3A9-10&version=KJV" style="color: #517291; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 24px; text-indent: 48px;">Acts 18:9-10</a><span style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 24px; text-indent: 48px;">, ascribed to be "the Lord [speaking] to Paul in the night by a vision"). </span></p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 24px; text-indent: 48px;">Why would Jesus depend on having "much people" as the basis of Paul's protection? The true Jesus can call on armies from heaven. The Jesus of Paul is inconsistent with the nature of the Jesus of the Gospels. </span></p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 24px; text-indent: 48px;">The final quote of the "Lord" -- presumably Jesus -- in Acts from Paul adds nothing material in a doctrinal sense. The "Lord" tells Paul "be of good cheer," and Paul will "testify" -- serve the "witness" role that this Lord only ever affirms for Paul (or is permitted by God to say is Paul's role) - at Rome as Paul had done at Jerusalem. (Acts 23:11.) No revelation about doctrine is present in this quote. Nor is there any confirmation implied of any controversial doctrine of Paul at Jerusalem. Quite the opposite. For when Paul was at Jerusalem, he was charged with "apostasy" in Acts 21:21 by bishop James (apostasy meaning that Paul violated Deut 13:1-5), and James asked for a specific response. Paul rather than saying Jesus did away with the Law took the step offered to prove Paul was not an apostate. Paul accepted the offer of James to show Paul's continued belief that the Mosaic Law applied by taking a vow from Numbers 6, and fulfilling it at the Temple. Paul performed this. So if the true Jesus spoke Acts 23:11, he confirmed a Paul who proved he was no apostate against the Law -- a very different Paul than would appear in the later written epistles.</span></p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">But some cite Paul in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+tim+5%3A18&version=ESV">1 Timothy 5:18</a> as quoting Jesus. But Paul is alluding to a familiar passage in Leviticus about “the worker deserves his wages.” Paul does not say he is quoting Jesus. Now these same words are in Jesus' mouth in Luke 10:7. However, Paul does not ascribe this to Jesus. It could be that Paul is simply paraphrasing the Law in Leviticus which Jesus was likewise paraphrasing. So this does not count as a quote by Paul of Jesus. It is just Paul coincidentally using words that summarize a provision of Leviticus which Jesus likewise similarly summarized. </p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">12 I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. 5 On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses— 6 though if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth; but I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. 7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger [<em>i.e.</em>, in Greek “Angelos”] of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “<strong>My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness</strong>.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A1-9&version=ESV">2 Cor. 12:1-9 ESV</a>).</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">The bolded portion again represents the only words from this “Lord,” presumably the Damascus Jesus. This “man” caught up in the heavens is evidently Paul. Paul does not come out and say this directly, apparently to be ‘humble’ about the superior revelation he had received. It is obviously Paul because Paul speaks about his own revelations after speaking of this man’s “revelations.” Paul then speaks about the purpose of an Angel of Satan to “torment” Paul to keep Paul humble. It is a physical “thorn in the flesh” that Satan’s Angel uses to torment Paul. Regardless, whatever were these revelations from the ‘Lord,’ Paul says they are “unspeakable.” This helps explain why Paul never quotes the Lord Jesus in Paul’s epistles to support any of Paul’s doctrines.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">As Dickason says, rather than this verse being inspiration for any of us, instead it can be read so Paul’s “apostolic mission [is cast] <em><strong>under suspicion</strong></em>.” (C. Fred Dickason, Demon Possession and the Christian (Crossway, 1989) at <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=Yx4NsiVtnL8C&lpg=PA119&dq=thorn%20in%20the%20flesh%20demonic%20possession&pg=PA120#v=onepage&q=under%20suspicion&f=false">120</a>.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">To understand why Paul does not know much about the Gospel of Jesus, we need to next read from Galatians and later from <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+9%3A26-30&version=ESV">Acts 9:26-30</a>. This will help explain why Paul never quotes Jesus’ Gospel except once for sure, and maybe twice.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">We just quoted above that in Galatians 1:17-19, Paul said after his Damascus Wilderness experience he did not go to Jerusalem <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">to see the apostles</span> for three years. Let’s read it again with a few more verses at the end:</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">I did not immediately consult with anyone; <em><strong>nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me</strong></em>, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas [i.e., Apostle Peter] and remained with him fifteen days. But <em><strong>I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother.</strong></em> (In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!) Then I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia.(<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal.+1%3A16-21&version=ESV">Gal. 1:16-21 ESV</a>.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">A small digression is in order. If Paul is a constantly inspired person in all his writings, why doesn't Paul know he has the Spirit of God in this instruction? Could it be that we have made a faulty assumption that all Paul's writings were even understood by Paul to be inspired by God? I think Paul's own words make unmistakeably clear that Paul did not think everything he wrote was inspired.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Incidentally, Paul’s opinion which he only 'thought' was while he "has the Spirit of God" was that virgins (male or female) should remain as Paul, <em>i.e.</em>, unmarried virgins, and if a man is released from his wife, “do not be seeking a wife.” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor.+7%3A25%2C+40%3B+&version=DLNT">1 Cor. 7:25-27, 40</a>.) Certainly, these are not commands that God would have given Paul as they are fundamentally against the Genesis account where God makes a helpmate to Adam as a good thing, and not to be necessarily avoided.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things<em><strong> I am writing to you are a command of the Lord</strong></em>.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin-top: 14pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 6pt; font-size: 12pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;">The sentence, by itself, provides no clue whether the “Lord” here is intended to mean Yahweh or Jesus. In context, it appears to clearly be a reference to the preceding three sentences which mention a command supposedly from the Law given Moses by Yahweh:</span></p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For <em><strong>they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says</strong></em>. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1 Cor. 14:33-35 ESV.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Thus, when Paul says in verse 37 that “the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord,” it is obvious Paul means this command from the Law he just quoted.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Hence, this is not a special revelation Paul received from Jesus. It is simply a quote from what Paul understood or thought was the Law. As a result, the word “Lord” in verse 37 can only mean the Father, Yahweh.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Incidentally, there was no such law in the Law given Moses that required women to be submissive to men in a synagogue,<a href="file:///C:/Users/doug/Dropbox/Writings%20in%20Process/JWO%20Updated%202014-15/chapter%203B%202016%20-%20Paul%20quotes%20of%20Jesus%2018%20pt%20font.htm#pgfId-516649">2</a> or to be quiet in synagogue. Such submission to the men, and separation in the synagogues, had become a Pharisaic tradition. Paul evidently equated Pharisaic traditions with the Law.</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 0pt; margin: 22pt 18pt 9pt 30px; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">Finally then, brothers, we ask you, and exhort in the Lord Jesus that just as you received from us how you ought to be walking and pleasing God (just as you also are walking), that you be abounding more. 2 For you know what commands we gave to you <strong>through</strong> the <strong>Lord Jesus</strong>. 3 For this is the will of God: your holiness— that you be abstaining from sexual-immorality; 4 that each of you know-how to acquire control of his own vessel in holiness and honor, 5 not in the passion of desire as indeed the Gentiles not knowing God; 6 that no one overstep and exploit his brother in the matter. Because the Lord is the avenger concerning all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned. 7 For God did not call us for impurity, but in holiness. 8 So therefore the one rejecting is not rejecting a human, but God, the One also giving His Holy Spirit to you. (1 Thess. 4: 1-8 Disciples Literal NT.)</p>
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<p style="text-indent: 36pt; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; font-size: 18pt; vertical-align: baseline;">The Greek term translated as “through” in verse 2 means “by.” These were commands by the Lord Jesus, not commands spoken by Paul through Jesus. Hence, Paul was claiming he was a messenger of commands originally given by Jesus. More important, Paul does not proclaim he prophetically learned these commands from Jesus or God. What were these commands? Paul summarizes two commands: not committing sexual immorality and not exploiting a brother. We can only conclude these two commands are loose paraphrases of commands from Jesus we find in the gospels. Paul did not speak them by revelation from Jesus to Paul.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong>Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8..., I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. ...Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.</strong> (Acts 22:7, 8, 10). </span></p>
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