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<h1>Worshipping A Man versus Worshipping God Indwelling A Man</h1>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The question posed here is whether worshiping Jesus<em><strong> as God</strong></em> is proper if Jesus is a man<strong><em> indwelled by God</em></strong> (and hence divine) instead of <em>identical</em> to God. I have collected a thought-provoking article below from another whom I quote below.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Now, I contend Jesus is divine because indwelled fully by the Shekinah presence of God, as Jesus and Apostle John stated. See "<a href="/books/189-correct-christology.html">Correct Christology</a>." I believe we can worship at Jesus' feet as homage to King, even as the Son of Man to whom the kingdoms of the earth are to be given, and is said to be worshipped in Daniel 7:13 even though a man. I believe the rationale is He comes with the full "glory" of God on the clouds as He comes to earth. Or because Jesus is a King -- the King appointed by God.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, first, Jesus had the glory known as the Shekinah Glory/Presence of God. The Shekinah is also called the Divinity of God. For the same reason, because Jesus was the "Son of Man" (same name as in Daniel) and Jesus said the Father dwelled in Him and Apostle John says the "Word (God) was made flesh," we can fall in homage at Jesus's feet. But it is not because the human being Jesus 'is' God but because<em><strong> God is in Him</strong></em>. If we <em><strong>misidentify Jesus the Man as God rather than indwelled by God</strong></em>, can we thus commit idolatry? That is, if we mistake Jesus' divinity is not from the "indwelling" of the Father as He spoke (John 14) but from a 100% identity as "God" apart from the Father, can we commit the sin of Idolatry?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Also, the Bible gives examples of the worship of a king as normal. The action of bowing down in front of a King was indeed common usage in Israel, as the following verse show: 1 Samuel 24:8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">I think the discussion below by Katjonjj should make us concerned to not put Jesus in front of God the Father on false pretenses that they are identical. We can only worship Jesus because either the Father and His glory dwells fully in Jesus in a unique way (making them one in spirit) that will never be true of another or because Jesus is the king God appointed over us. That's my thought. Any comments? Corrections?</span></p>
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<h3><strong><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Is Worshipping Jesus The Man Idolatry?</span></strong></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Katjonjj makes an interesting argument in <a href="http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/995258-worshipping-jesus-man-idolatry.html">Is Worshipping Jesus The Man Idolatry?</a></span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Idolatry defined:</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Easton's Bible DictionaryImage-worship or divine honour paid to <em><strong>any created object</strong></em>. Paul describes the origin of idolatry in <a target="_blank" href="http://bible.cc/romans/1-21.htm" rel="nofollow">Romans 1:21</a>-25: men forsook God, and sank into ignorance and moral corruption (<a target="_blank" href="http://bible.cc/romans/1-28.htm" rel="nofollow">1:28</a>).</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The forms of idolatry are, </span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(1.) Fetishism, or the worship of trees, rivers, hills, stones, etc.</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(2.) Nature worship, the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, as the supposed powers of nature.</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(3.) Hero worship, the worship of deceased ancestors, or of heroes.</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a target="_blank" href="http://eastonsbibledictionary.com/search--idolatry" rel="nofollow"></a></span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a target="_blank" href="http://eastonsbibledictionary.com/search--idolatry" rel="nofollow">Bible Dictionary: Idolatry</a></span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">How sure are you that Jesus is God? If you are sure then why is his human name (Jesus) used in worship? Are you worshiping a created being or God? </span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">It is clear in the bible that Jesus was a man.... how clear is it that he is God?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">If you use the name Jesus isn't that the name of the man and therefore you are worshipping the man and not God?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">I am curious to find out how strong people's convictions are about the nature of Jesus....</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Also, if Jesus is God why pray or worship Jesus by name.. why not simply pray to/worship God? Isn't that the same thing?</span></p>
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