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<h1><span style="font-size: 24pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul Contradicts Jesus and Bible on Who Is Raptured</span></h1>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />Also, what is your view on the rapture? Is that one topic that Paul preached that could be true? Jesus when resurrected was in flesh and bone. Would our resurrection be the same? This would counter Paul's view that the body would be glorified. Your thoughts on this is appreciated. Thanks again!</span></div>
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<div style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(29) Immediately after the <strong>tribulation</strong> of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup>30</sup>And <strong>then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven</strong>: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matt. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2024:29-30&version=KJV">24:29-30</a>, KJV.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The question you ask is whether in that tribulation before the Son of Man appears in heaven are Christians present or will we be raptured away prior to the tribulation. (Pre-trib.) Some believe in post-tribulation that Christians are raptured after the Son of Man appears. This is known as post-trib.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But the truth is that these two views are influenced by Paul. The correct view is that the evil are raptured or taken away when the Son of Man appears, and Christians remain through the tribulation and thus 'inherit' the earth when the evil are removed. This can be categorized as pre-millenialism...we are waiting for Jesus to set up on earth the milennial kingdom. This was the exclusive view of the early church through the early 300s - obviously because Jesus talked this way, as we shall see. Wikipedia summarizes what I contend is the correct eschatology - because Jesus speaks this way:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span data-mce-mark="1"> The doctrine is called premillennialism because it holds that Jesus’ physical return to earth will occur prior to the inauguration of the millennium. </span><span data-mce-mark="1">Premillennialism is largely based upon a </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism" title="Biblical literalism">literal</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> interpretation of </span><span class="plainlinks" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Revelation%2020:1-6;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow" class="external text">Revelation 20:1-6</a></span><span data-mce-mark="1"> in the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament" title="New Testament">New Testament</a> <span data-mce-mark="1">which describes Jesus’s coming to the earth and subsequent reign at the end of an apocalyptic period of </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulation" class="mw-redirect" title="Tribulation">tribulation</a><span data-mce-mark="1">. It views this future age as a time of fulfillment for the prophetic hope of God’s people as given in the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament">Old Testament</a><span data-mce-mark="1">. ("<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism">Premillenialism</a>" <em>Wikipedia.</em>)</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This view was early known as <em>chiailism</em>, but in the 19th Century was called premillenarianism. The early church was exclusively chialistic, not knowing (accepting, if you prefer) of any theory of any rapture of Christians, let alone a pre-tribulation rapture. This <em>Wikipedia </em>article continues:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span data-mce-mark="1">Historically Christian premillennialism has also been referred as "chiliasm"...</span><span data-mce-mark="1">The </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology" title="Theology">theological</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> term "premillennialism" did not come into general use until the mid-19th century....</span><span data-mce-mark="1">For the larger part,</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology" title="Christian eschatology">Christian eschatology</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><span data-mce-mark="1">through the 2nd and 3rd centuries was</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiliastic" class="mw-redirect" title="Chiliastic">chiliastic</a><span data-mce-mark="1">.</span><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism#cite_note-8">[9]</a></sup><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><span data-mce-mark="1">Many</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity" title="Early Christianity">early Christian</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><span data-mce-mark="1">interpreters applied the earlier Jewish apocalyptic idea of a temporary Messianic kingdom to their interpretation of chapter 20 of</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John_the_Apostle" class="mw-redirect" title="St. John the Apostle">John's</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><span data-mce-mark="1">apocalypse.</span><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism#cite_note-9">[10]</a></sup><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr" title="Justin Martyr">Justin Martyr</a><span data-mce-mark="1">,</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus" title="Irenaeus">Irenaeus</a><span data-mce-mark="1">, and</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian" title="Tertullian">Tertullian</a><span data-mce-mark="1"> </span><span data-mce-mark="1">all made explicit references to the concept of a thousand year earthly kingdom at Christ’s coming.</span><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism#cite_note-10">[11]</a></sup></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There are over 50 passages of Original Covenant writings that speak of the evil being taken out of the earth, and that the righteous shall inherit the earth as a result. In Proverbs <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2010:30&version=NLT">10:30</a>, we read: "The godly will never be disturbed, but the wicked will be removed from the land." <br /></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In Revelation, likewise there are 144,000 who are Jesus's followers when He sets foot on earth. They did not go up and come down. They were there. Then Jesus takes away evildoers on earth, leaving the 144,000 to inherit the earth. This is the precise picture in the OT of the 'rapture.' </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, this proves Christians are not taken from before the tribulation but God intends them to endure it bravely. What also proves this is the raptured or taken are clearly stated in Revelation to be the evil ones:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup>20</sup>And the<strong> beast was taken</strong>, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both <strong>were cast alive into a lake of fire<em> </em></strong>burning with brimstone.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup>21</sup>And the<strong><em> </em>remnant were slain</strong> with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (Rev. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2019:20-21&version=KJV">19:20-21</a>.)</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff; font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Is Revelation 3:10 Saying The Opposite?</span></strong></span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />Many pre-tribulation rapture-of-the-church advocates cite in support Rev. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%203:10&version=KJV">3:10</a> which states:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will<strong><em> </em>keep thee from the hour of temptation</strong>, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (KJV)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, one of the leading proponents of pretrib, Dr. John Walvoord (former president of Dallas Theological Seminary) states in his book <em>The Rapture Question</em> at pages 70-71 that "it may be debatable to what extent this (verse, Rev. 3:10) constitutes absolute proof for pretribulationism."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The verb for "keep" is also "guard" -- <em>tereo</em>. It appears this verse simply means God will "guard" us from the "temptation" but it does not imply God will remove us from having to patiently endure a time of trial..</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The hour of "testing" is from PEIRASMOS. That Greek word comes from a word meaning literally "to examine or prove." The word "trial" is adequate. In James 1:2 and 12 James tell us "Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various<strong><em> </em>trials</strong> (<strong>peirasmois</strong>)."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The word rendered "patience" in Rev. 3:10 is "hpomone" and it matches the same use with "peirasmos" in James 1:2, 12.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">James 1:2 and v 12 tell us "Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials (<em><strong>peirasmois</strong></em>). Blessed is the man that <strong>perseveres</strong> (<em><strong>hpomenei</strong></em>) under<em><strong> trial</strong></em> (<em><strong>peirasmon</strong></em>)."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In sync, with similar vocabulary as Rev. 3:10 and James 1:2, 12, First Peter encourages preparation to endure a trial <strong>just before Christ returns<em>.<span style="font-weight: normal;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal;" data-mce-mark="1"> There is no assurance</span></span> </em></strong>that nothing difficult will happen as you supposedly will escape earth due to your faith alone:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">'The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer...<strong>Beloved, do not be suprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing (peirasmos)</strong>, as though some strange thing were happening to you; but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, <strong>keep on rejoicing; so that also at the revelation of His glory, you my rejoice with exultation</strong>' (1 Peter 4:7, 12, 13, emphasis added).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So let's turn again to Rev. 3:10 which in the KJV says "you shall be <strong>kept</strong> from" from the "hour of trial."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Here <em>tereo</em> can be rendered as either to 'guard' or 'keep.' In the Greek what the KJV translated as "will keep you from" is TEREO EK. The word TEREO means to "watch over protectively, guard" and with the preposition EK it carries the idea of being guarded or protected and rescued out from the midst of danger. If the idea of keeping one <strong><em>from entering</em></strong> were intended the preposition APO would have been used. So it is truly the idea of deliverance out from <strong><em>within</em></strong> the tribulation experience rather than an external deliverance from<strong><em> ever experiencing </em></strong>the tribulation.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #0000ff;">Rev. 3:10 Promises Philadelphia Physical Protection In Danger From Evil</span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The notion involved is thus not to rescue us from any temptation / trial, but to guard / rescue us from the spiritual and physical dangers which the world endures. Many commentators agree:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Fausett-</strong> "so as to deliver thee out of, <strong>not to exempt from temptation</strong>." (Fausett, <em>Commentary</em> (1871) Vol. 2 column 1 at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HeQsAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22not%20to%20exempt%20from%20temptation%22&pg=PA561#v=onepage&q=%22not%20to%20exempt%20from%20temptation%22&f=false">561</a>.)</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Swete-</strong> "to the Philadelphia Church the promise was an assurance of safe keeping in any trial that might supervene." (Henry Barclay Sweet, <em>The Apocalypse of St. John</em> (1906) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ay8aAAAAYAAJ&dq=Philadelphia%20Church%20the%20promise%20was%20an%20assurance%20of%20safe%20keeping%20in%20any%20trial%20that%20might%20supervene&pg=PA55#v=onepage&q&f=false">55</a>.)<strong><br /></strong></span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Trench- </strong>"The promise does<strong><em> </em>not imply that the Philadelphia Church should be exempted from the persecutions which should come on all other portions of the Church</strong>; that by any special privilege they should be excused from fiery trials through which others should be called to pass. It is a better promise than this; and one which, of course, they share with all who are faithful as they are - to be kept in temptation, not to be exempted from temptation."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Robert Gundry-</strong> "to keep or protect in a sphere of danger, and that because ek means emergence out from <strong><em>within</em></strong>, the combination of the two Greek words (TEREO EK) means to protect believers in a sphere of danger (the tribulation period), with a <strong><em>final emergence out</em></strong> from within this sphere." (Robert Gundry, <em>The Church and the Tribulation</em> (1973) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=7imsATgW9AAC&lpg=PP1&dq=gundry%20church%20and%20tribulation&pg=PA53#v=onepage&q=out%20from%20within&f=false">53</a>-59.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus any rapture in Revelation 3:10, if truly implied, is by cutting short the tribulation, and removing the evil from the midst of Christians. Then in the process of removing the tares, God will protect the wheat who thereby inherit the earth.</span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">As to issue of bodily resurrection, I discuss this at depth in <a href="/Recommended-Reading/bodies-upon-ascension.html" style="line-height: 1.3em;">http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/Recommended-Reading/bodies-upon-ascension.html</a> Unlike Paul, our Lord Jesus and the Bible otherwise teaches resurrection of our flesh (reconstituted and cleansed of death/sin) on the Last Day, but a rise of our spirits beforehand upon death. <em style="line-height: 1.3em;">id.</em></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">At the time of the end, our bodies rise from the dead, and are joined with our spirits that previously were in heaven, so there is a coming of God's holy ones when the Son of Man comes, possibly meaning these spirits. In Jude 14-15 it says Jesus comes back with his holy ones/saints.</span></div>
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<h1><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #0000ff;"><br />Danger of Paul's View of Pre-tribulation Rapture</span></strong></span></h1>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Jesus and Paul are 180 degrees opposite. What is the consequence of Paul's pre-tribulation rapture notion?</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />First, Jesus repeatedly said Christians will go through the Great Tribulation. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In sequential order, Jesus depicts what we as Christians have to look forward to, and that we need to endure to the end including up through a point "after" the tribulation of those days, whereupon we will then see the Son of Man coming on clouds of glory:</span></p>
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<li><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.6" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.6">Matthew 24:6</a> - "...but that is <span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-mark="1">not yet</span> the end"</span></li>
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<li><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.8" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.8">Matthew 24:8</a> - "But all these things are <span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-mark="1">merely the beginning</span>..."</span></li>
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<li><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.14" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.14">Matthew 24:14</a> - "And this gospel ... shall be preached in the whole world..., and <span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-mark="1">then</span> the end shall come"</span></li>
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<li><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.29" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.29">Matthew 24:29</a> - "But <span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-mark="1">immediately after</span> the tribulation of those days..."</span></li>
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<li><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.30" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.30">Matthew 24:30</a> - "and <span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-mark="1">then</span> the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky..."</span></li>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />This order of events clearly indicates believers will go through the Great Tribulation. In addition, the text indicates that the days of tribulation (persecution of Christians by non-believers) will be shortened by the Lord "for the sake of the elect" (<em>i.e</em>., Christians). Following these events, the wrath of God will be executed against the remaining non-Christians.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The book of Revelation likewise indicates that believers will go through the Great Ttribulation. In chapter 6, Christians killed for Christ ask how long it will be before God avenges their death. The answer is that they have to wait even until more Christians are killed. Not only will Christians be persecuted, but they will be killed because they are Christians (<a href="http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/tribulation.html#Revelation 6:11">Revelation 6:11</a>). This tribulation will be followed by astronomical signs and the "sealing" of 144,000 who are ready and waiting on EARTH to greet Jesus when He sets foot on earth from heaven. Immediately after these men are "sealed", "a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues" suddenly appear in <a href="http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/heaven.html">heaven</a>. These are not from a prior rapture of Christians because Christians are on earth when Christ returns -- the 144,000 remnant. In fact, when one of the elders asks who all these people are, John answers that they are those "who come out of the great tribulation." That is, they were killed in that period, and now are alive again.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">What is the consequence of the erroneous view that the rapture will spare you from the Tribulation?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Since much of the Church believes God will deliver them prior to the Great Tribulation as Paul taught, many Christians will be surprised when they find themselves being persecuted and killed for their allegiance to Christ. Their trust in Christ will be severely tested, since they may believe that God has abandoned them and that the prophecies of the rapture are not true. Under such circumstances, most believers will fall away and deny Christ to save their lives. Jesus, in fact, made just such a prophecy:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another.... "But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved. (<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.10" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.10">Matthew 24:10</a>,<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2024.13" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 24.13">13</a>)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />If you are a follower of Yahshua, be prepared to die for Christ. Even your fellow "brothers" will deliver you to the authorities to avoid their own deaths. If you are not willing to die for the true Christ, you will deny Him when threatened with death. Be aware of what Jesus said about those who seek to save their lives:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. (<em><a href="http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matthew%2016.25" target="_blank" class="lbsBibleRef" data-version="NASB" data-reference="Matthew 16.25">Matthew 16:25</a></em>)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br />Many Christians are looking forward to the return of Christ, which will, indeed, be a glorious event. However, the time just preceding the end will not be pleasant for Christians. The watchful Christian should be prepared to join his fellow brothers under the altar of souls of those who will die "because of the testimony <strong>which they had maintained</strong>."</span></p>
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