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<h3><strong><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Idol Meat Issue: Paul versus Jesus</span></strong></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">One correspondent asked whether idol meat was strictly prohibited or instead was only prohibited if eaten during a covenant-forming ceremony.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Here is his letter and my reply.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><strong><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #800080;" data-mce-mark="1">Defender of Paul: Paul Does Not Violate Scripture By Teaching It Is Ok To Eat Idol Meat</span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;">Before we discuss Tony's argument that it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, let's realize Jesus 3x prohibits eating such meat in the book of Revelation. For this reason, Paul-defenders claim the Book of Revelation is not inspired. In an article <a href="http://www.christian-community.org/library/revelheresy.html">Revelation is Heresy</a> we read:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; background-color: #ffffd9;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Pergamum (2: 12)</span>&nbsp;is in Satan's territory. It held fast and did not deny Jesus during persecutions. But Patmos' Jesus rebukes them for eating food sacrificed to idols (2: 14).</strong> <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span>Here Patmos' Jesus contrasts with Paul who said this is permitted (1 Cor. 8).&nbsp;</span></span></strong></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">We begin with Exodus 34:11-16:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exodus 34:11 Observe for yourself that which I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before your face the Amoriy (Amorite), and the Kenaniy (Cannanite), and the Khiytiy (Hittite), and the Periziy (Perizzite), and the Khiwiy (Hivite), and the Yebusiy (Jebusite).</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exo 34:12 Take heed to yourself, lest you cut (make) a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you go, lest it be for a snare in your midst.&nbsp;</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exo 34:13 But break down their alters, and break their pillars, and cut down their groves (Asherahs).&nbsp;</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exo 34:14 For you shall bow down to no other god, because YHWH (whose name is Jealous) is a jealous God.</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exo 34:15 Lest you cut (make) a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they whore after their gods, and slaughter to their gods, and call to you and you eat of his slaughtering,&nbsp;</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Exo 34:16 and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters whore after theirs gods, and cause your sons to whore after their gods.&nbsp;</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #222222; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: large; line-height: normal;">Note: In Exodus 34:11-16 it is not clearly taught in the Torah that eating meat slaughtered to idols is a "You shall not do" type of command. However, without question it is certainly associated with something that YHWH hates, and accuses those eating meat slaughtered to idols as whoring after other gods.&nbsp;</span><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="color: #222222; line-height: normal;">This is where we must use some critical thinking. How many have heard that context is everything? The Torah also commands, "You shall not kill." (Exodus&nbsp;</span><span class="aBn" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: #cccccc; position: relative; top: -2px; z-index: 0; color: #222222; line-height: normal;" tabindex="0" data-term="goog_995134244"><span class="aQJ" style="position: relative; top: 2px; z-index: -1;">20:13</span></span><span style="color: #222222; line-height: normal;">) However there is, in fact examples of justified killing in the Torah. Does Scripture contradict itself? No. The commandment "You shall not kill" is in the context of not murdering an individual, the unjust taking of another man's life. The Torah also commands us
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<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">My Reply 11/11/2013</span></strong></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hi Tony</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Well, this is fairly easy to explain.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">You quote Exodus, and then tie the covenant with Gentiles with eating the idol meat in a ceremony / sacrifice. Then because you conclude that is what God prohibits, and it provides the context for any other prohibition, even an unqualified one such as in Acts, that we supposedly can add back in this covenant-worship context from your reading of Exodus to then always modify an absolute statement by your interpretation of Exodus. So it all comes back to the correctness of how you were then reading Exodus. Right? I think that fairly summarizes it.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Now before we examine Exodus, we have not just one time but six times where eating meat sacrificed to idols is <strong><em>flatly prohibited,</em></strong> without any exception. Acts 15:20, 15:29, 21:25; Rev. 2:6; 2:14-15, 2:20 - 3x by James and 3x by Jesus.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Now are these prohibitions like 'thou shalt not kill' where you must read passages far away that permits the same word for killing as an obvious exception?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">No.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Exodus is not an opposite passage to the 6 prohibitions that requires reconciling them together by reading an exception into the 6 general prohibitions, like one must with the 'thou shalt kill' command. Exodus is not saying you can eat meat sacrificed to idols except in certain circumstances. At best, in comparing the six prohibitions in Acts &amp; Revelation to Exodus, if read as narrowly as you do, the best one could say is that Exodus prohibits eating meat sacrificed to idols in which one was a participant in the sacrifice ceremony. (I don't agree on that reading, but I am assuming it to make this point.). It does not say it is valid outside that context.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Furthermore, the meaning and purpose of Exodus 34:12-16 is a different context, and from that context, one can derive it means one must not eat idol meat inadvertently. Here''s why. It is an instruction to do something -- to not make a covenant, and not allow altars of the gentiles to their gods. The rationale for obeying that command is then given. In Exo 34:15-16, God says if you prefer making a covenant and allow their pagan altars, you risk "one call thee [to eat with him] and thou eat of his sacrifice."&nbsp;<em><strong>The command to destroy the pagan altars was so that Jews would avoid eating meat sacrificed to idols even inadvertently at a meal at a Gentile home</strong></em>. The only way to ensure this was to destroy their altars, and this is why the rationale is explained.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Let's see if I am right by reading the text more carefully. First, let's look at the best modern Jewish translation of Exodus 34:12-16 -- the Friedman translation -- and one I highly recommend.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 30px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">12. Be watchful of yourself that you don't make a covenant with the resident of the land onto which you'r coming, that he doesn't become a trap among you. 13. But you shall demolish their altars and shatter their pillars and cut down their Asherahs. 14. For you shall not bow to another god--because YHWH: his name is Jealous, He is a jealous God-- 15. that you not make a covenant with the resident of the land, and they will prostitute themselves after their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and&nbsp;<em><strong>he will call to you, and you will eat from his sacrifice</strong></em>."</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The KJV is similar on the key verse: "and one of them&nbsp;<strong><em>invites you and you eat of his sacrifice,</em></strong>&nbsp;16"</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">The concept is to "call you" or "invite you" to eat, and when you do so, "you will eat FROM his sacrifice" -- something left over from the festival. (Gill says it is left over remains).</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The concept is not consecrating a covenant by a sacrifice offering, as you suggested. The covenant is to allow them to have altars, not to have a festival with you. That is the immediate context. Then the error of such a covenant that leads to altars is that it leads to sacrifices which leads in turn to invitations to eat food left over from their festivals that was sacrificed to idols. Gentiles would sell in the marketplace the leftover meats sacrificed to idols.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, the correct reading is that impliclitly you should not eat idol meat inadvertantly at someone's home who invited you over to eat what remained from the sacrifice. This is why Jews typically did not eat at Gentile's homes then. They could not be sure about its origin, and did not want to impolitely ask or refrain from eating.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, I read this as broad a command as the other 6 times, because it makes it clear the reason not to allow altars is you will end up eating their meats inadverently when you are invited by gentiles to the remains of their sacrifices at home.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 10px; color: #494a44; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px; line-height: 20px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Blessings,</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Doug</span></p> </td>
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