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<p><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Saturday, June 19, 2010</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Was Paul A False Apostle</strong></span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">After many years as a Christian not really understanding Paul (or Saul) I asked God for understanding about Paul and whether he is or was a real apostle. Here is what God revealed to me.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">All through his epistles Paul stridently claims that he is an apostle appointed by Jesus Christ himself. But elsewhere in the Bible (not including Paul's epistles) the Bible is silent. There are only twelve appointed apostles mentioned elsewhere, not thirteen. Nowhere else in the bible is there any confirmation that Paul is in fact an apostle. The Bible requires a witness before we are to believe anybody. The only witness Paul has is himself. He only claims his 'signs and wonders' as his witness. But Jesus has explicity warned us not to accept 'signs and wonders' as a witness.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">It was not long after this that he was taken up into the sky while they were watching., and he disappeared into a cloud. As they were straining their eyes to see him, two white robed men suddenly stood there among them. They said, "Men of Galilee, why are you standing there staring at the sky. Jesus has been taken away from you into heaven and someday, just as you saw him go, he will return." Acts 1:9-11</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The gospel is good news for those who repent of their sins and turn to a life of faithful obedience to God. Paul's teaching is the root of Arminianism: that we are saved simply because we believe in Jesus resurrection, and confess that we believe. God demands that we act in obedience to him, not that we simply display some esoteric 'faith'. The faith that God requires is 'faithful' obedience to him.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Virtually every Christian heresy can be traced back to an interpretation (or so-called misinterpretation) of Paul's epistles. Some argue that the fault is with those who 'misinterpret' Paul. My belief is that Satan deliberately used a complicated and obscure gospel message through Paul so that the error could not be easily discerned. Satan is trying to deceive, and in order to deceive you have to be dishonest and cunning. It is too easy to exhonerate Paul and blame others for the error that is hidden in his gospel (Paul called his gospel my gospel).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In his epistles, Paul writes constantly about himself, his gospel, his apostleship, and his personal revelation from Jesus. He boasts that he is equal if not superior to the 'other' apostles. He boasts about dressing down Peter in pulblic, instead of speaking privately with him. That is a just a very wordly and devious ploy to avoid talking to Peter about Peters concerns over Pauls teaching (attack is the best defense).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul has displayed himeself as a tricky character. Hardly what we should expect from an apostle. Certainly not an imitator of the character of Christ.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is from an apostle who had no direct contact with Jesus teachings, and yet claims to be not only an apostle, but a superior apostle.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Pauls account of his conversion implies that God forcibly converted him, almost against his will. Paul was blinded for three days before he received his sight. How many Christians would there be in the world today if God used the same approach on everyone.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But that is contrary to God's plan. God could force everyone in the world to obey him, but he deliberately does not do that. God is searching for those with a true heart, who will obey him without being forced to, because those are the people God can trust foir eternity. Those are the people that God wants to share heaven with him.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">While Paul's conversion was dramatic, it was not in God's character to convert Paul in that way. It was also not in God's character to go behind the backs of the apostles in Jerusalem, and appoint Paul over their heads to preach to the Gentiles. That would have been a huge reprimand to the apostles.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul is a satanically inspired tare who was planted into the early christian church. The light that Paul encountered by the side of the road to Damascus was Satan himself or one of Satan's angels. Paul has preached another gospel, filling up Christianity with false tare churches and false tare believers. Paul's requirements for salvation are much easier than God's requirements (you just have to believe), so that the tares are far more numerous than the true followers of Yeshuah (Jesus). Modern Christianity is built on Paul, not on Jesus the rock.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul's tare church has succeeded in choking and ovecrowding God's real church, just as weeds choke the good plants in our gardens. But this is also part of God's plan. <strong>God is using Paul and Satan to help thresh the harvest, and to help him separate the wheat from the chaff. God will only gather the real wheat into his barn</strong>. Satan is helping God to achieve that. Isn't God wise?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">First Published Saturday, June 19, 2010</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Posted by eskimo at 5:34 PM</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">by Furchisedek 2014 at this<a href="http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1312425.htm"> link</a></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Question: "Was Paul a false Apostle?" </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Answer: Absolutely. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Steve: </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">He never met Jesus. He wasn't one of the 12 real apostles. He even says that he tricked people into his beliefs: </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"Being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2Co 12:16) </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Jesus warned about Paul: </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"For there shall arise... false prophets, and shall shew <strong>great signs and wonders;</strong>"</span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> -Mat 24:24 </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">In EXACTLY the same "signs and wonders" language that Jesus used in his warning about false prophets, Paul brags: </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"Through </span><strong style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">mighty signs and wonders</strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." -Rom 15:19 </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, </span><strong style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">in signs, and wonders, and m</strong></span><strong style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">ighty deeds." </strong><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">-2Co 12:12</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">I think the more important question is why do you follow Paul? Paul wasn't one of Jesus' real apostles. He said he caught people with trickery. He contradicts God himself when he says it is good for a man not to touch a woman. You follow Paul because of your indoctrination. Why don't you do the intellectually honest thing and look into it? Would life as you know it cease to exist if Paul was a false prophet? What does you salvation have to do with Paul? Why don't you just follow Jesus only instead? Paul didn't die for your sins. Would you lose your entire faith in Jesus and in God and in your salvation if Paul's writings were all thrown out? What do you think Paul said that Jesus didn't say, that might negatively affect your salvation if Paul and his teachings disappeared entirely? Do you know what Jesus said? </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; <strong>but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."</strong></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> (Matthew 7:21) </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong>"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."</strong></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> (Matthew 12:50) </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">What more do you need to know about salvation? That's the real Gospel from Jesus. You must do the Father's will (and that would be God's will, and not your parish priest or the guy in Rome) to attain eternal life. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Do you believe Jesus? If not, why not? </span><img src="http://d1zvlllbcin35p.cloudfront.net/s/idontknow.gif" alt="" style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" border="0" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> Indoctrination? I was once indoctrinated like you. I used to be Catholic. Thank God I'm over that! Yes, it was traumatic to give up all that indoctrination. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Furchizedek: It is my opinion that you are correct in what you shared with us and you stated it very well. Most here seem to be followers of Paul instead of Jesus. And like you said if Paul's strange teachings were thrown out of the Bible then what would be left of what they believe. Paul taught a different gospel than what the 12 Apostles and what Jesus taught. Yes, like I said before, some of Paul's teachings fall in line with what Jesus taught but lots of what Paul taught does not line up with what Jesus taught. I saw it the first time I read the Bible and continue to see the problems with Paul's teachings to this very day. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Like Furchizedek said it is my opinion that Paul was a false apostle. Jesus selected the 12 Apostles and taught them three and a half years. Paul said he had a vision but had no witnesses that saw the same vision. Saul tried to destroy the Christian movement by imprisoning and killing Christians. When Saul changed his name to Paul he tried to destroy the Christian movement by distorting the true message of Jesus. In other words if he could not destroy Christans by imprisoniong them he would destory them by distorting the truth of the Bible. I don't see much place in the Bible for a murderer to have to try to teach anyone what Jesus really stood for and taught. Would think Jesus would be fully capable of doing this. Don't think Jesus would have selected a murdered to teach His Word and be His Apostle. There were too many good people around for Jesus to have to rely on a murderer to do His work. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Like I said before some seem to have been blinded by the teachings of Paul. They quote Paul more than Jesus or the 12 Apostles. In the traditional sense Paul could never be considered an Apostle because Jesus did not select Paul and never, ever, taught him like He taught the 12 true Apostles. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">I noticed someone said Paul was a very wise man and I will have to agree with that statement. Satan was also wise but his wisdom was used for evil purposes. His wisdom was not Godly wisdom. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;">TN Teacher 3/16/2014</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Big seems to be trying to keep score. Jesus taught that it is a very narrow road so am sure there will be many that miss the boat and only a few that makes it to Paradize. So if one or two are correct and most are in disagreement the ones that are correct are the ones that win in the end. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul was the one that said the law was a curse to man. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said God's Laws had been done away with. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said we are under Grace only and not works. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul told women to keep them mouth shut while in church. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said circumsision was done away with. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said he was the greatest Apostle. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said in his books that he was an Apostle and the other writers didn't say that. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said he was not a liar and the others didn't say that either. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul said it was best to never marry. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul often contradicted himself, Jesus and the 12 Apostles. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul had the Christians imprisoned. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul was a murderer. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Paul was all over the place with what he taught. </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;" /><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; line-height: normal;">Jesus nor the 12 True Apostles said any of the above. 
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