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<p><span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">The 12 did not spot Judas as a traitor in their midst. They are not portrayed as divine oracles during Jesus' ministry even though they healed the sick, and did other miracles. Other than Jesus promising after His ascension they would with inspiration remember His words, Jesus never told us the 11 surviving apostles, and Matthias, added as the 12th in Acts 1, would have constant prophetic / inspired insights. In fact, Jesus in Matthew 24 warned the surviving 11 apostles that many will come in "my name" to deceive, if possible, the very elect. Jesus obviously meant to include them, giving them the criteria how to discern false Christs. Jesus did not reassure them that the Holy Spirit would speak privily to them the names & identity of false Christs & prophets to protect them, thereby excusing them from applying His warning-criteria.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Hence, merely because the young prophet was indeed an honest and true prophet did not give him perpetual discernment of another's credibility. He was duped by the lie of a valid prophet who nevertheless falsely told the young prophet that God told him (the older prophet) that the young prophet could stay and eat in the city when God had previously spoken differently. See our article on "<a href="/JWO/false-prophecy-deceived-young-prophet.html">False Prophecy Deceived Young Prophet</a>." Hence, the 11 apostles, even though they were inspired to recount the words of Jesus in the gospels, were not living oracles with perpetual discernment. They can be fooled, just like the young prophet was fooled by the older prophet in 1 Kings 13:1-32.</span></p>
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try {
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var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-3747914");
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pageTracker._initData();
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pageTracker._trackPageview();
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} catch(err) {}
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</script>
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<div class="copyright"></div>
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</div>
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</body>
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