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<h3><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Introduction: Five Points That Should Make Both Trinitarians & Unitarians Aghast At Paul</span></strong></span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">I do not believe Paul is inspired. I wish now to prove to those who are either Trinitarian or Unitarian, that you cannot believe Paul is inspired and hold on to your beliefs. Either you must give up Trinitarianism or Unitarianism, or you must give up Paul. It is an "either/or" decision for you. While you may believe you can explain away one or two dilemmas, it is an impossible strain to explain all five points raised herein.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul represents a third view neither compatible with Trinitarianism nor Unitarianism: that Jesus was the highest created being (Col. <a href="http://bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm">1:15</a>, ASV) who was not God (1 Corinthians <a href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-28.htm">15:27-28</a>) but had divinity abiding in Himself prior to birth. When Jesus came to earth He emptied himself of an equality with God. Phil. <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-6.htm">2:6</a>- <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a>. However, at some point that apparently was the point of crucifixion, Jesus was indwelled by the Father. Paul wrote: “God was <strong style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;"><em>in Christ</em></strong> reconciling the world to Himself.” (2 Cor. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor.%205:19&version=YLT" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;">5:19</a> YLT). <em style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;">See also</em> Col. 1:<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1&version=YLT" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;">19</a> "because <strong style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;"><em>in him</em></strong> it did please all the fulness [of God] to tabernacle [<em style="color: #494a44; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;">i.e.</em>, dwell]." Cf. NIV: "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him." (Col. 1:<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:19&version=NIV" style="color: #517291; text-decoration: underline; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 20px;">19</a>).) See also "God in Christ" in Ephesians 4.32 & 1 Thessalonians 2.14. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span data-mce-mark="1"><span data-mce-mark="1">While Jesus too said the Father dwelled in Himself (John 14:10), Paul apparently intended this dwelling activity of the God of Sinai expired at the conclusion of the crucifixion. For Paul taught Jesus' death represents the "</span></span><span data-mce-mark="1">death of the husband" of Israel -- the God of Sinai -- and this effectuated the final dissolution of the Law given Moses per Paul in Romans 7:1-7. (See </span><a href="/topicindex/167-romans-7-a-major-incongruity.html" style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 1.3em;">our page on Romans 7:1-7</a><span data-mce-mark="1">). The Law supposedly does not revive when Jesus resurrects because now the Father and Jesus are distinct. Paul teaches we now marry Jesus as our new husband but Jesus no longer intends the Law continue while Jesus is also now "<em><strong>our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ</strong></em>." (Titus <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+2%3A13&version=NASB">2:13 ASB</a>; NIV.)</span><span data-mce-mark="1"> (This is the modern pro-Trinitarian translation using the disputed Sharpe's rule of Greek grammar. Non-trinitarian Christians as Dr. Buzzard provide a critique at this <a href="/topicindex/514-titus-213-a-the-granville-sharp-rule.html">link</a>. See also Burke's critique at this </span><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/04/the-great-trinity-debate-part-2-dave-burke-on-jesus-christ/" style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium; line-height: 1.3em;">link</a><span data-mce-mark="1">. I take no position. Frankly, Titus 2:13 in the Sharpe rule translation makes Paul's Christology appear even more bizarre because of the incongruous additional pieces to his Christology.) </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Per Paul, the resurrected Jesus therefore no longer represents God-the-Father or otherwise the Law's bonds would revive, and marrying Jesus would be the same as remarrying God-the-Father, thereby reconnecting us to the Law given Moses. But instead, Paul teaches that is not the effect of marrying Jesus; instead, it represents the dissolution of the Law. Then Jesus will one day put "all things" under "God" except Jesus will not put "God Himself" under God -- these are Paul's very own words. See <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor.%2015:27-28&version=NIV">1 Cor. 15:27-28</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, Paul teaches someone who begins not as God, who had an equality with God, and is indwelled by the Father, ends up as "our great God" but is also not God because Jesus will put everything under God except God himself. The latter is Paul's clear teaching in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor.%2015:27-28&version=NIV">I Cor 15:27-28</a>. It appears Paul believes Jesus replaces the role of God, and becomes thereby a God Himself even though Jesus did not begin as God but as a "first-born of creation." </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is extremely convoluted reasoning.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Angel of the Lord Spoken Of In The Septuagint?</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Clearly, Paul has made a bizarre reference to Jesus as a created-being who is not God but ends up as a God who will put everything under God. How can this be resolved? The solution for some is to adopt the Septuagint mistranslation of Isaiah 9:6. We should supposedly realize Jesus was an "Angel of the Lord," and was "God" in that sense.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Thus, some evangelical Christians who are otherwise orthodox in belief actually defend that Jesus was an "Angel of the Lord" prior to His apparent transformation into God. <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/angel.html">ChristianAnswers</a>. (This is partially justified on the flawed translation in the Septuagint Greek of <strong>Isaiah 9:6</strong> where a child will be born who is “<a href="/topicindex/359-isaiah-96-what-does-it-mean.html">The Angel of Great Counsel.</a>”) But such a view is neither Trinitarian nor Unitarian. If you believe in either view as doctrinally correct, you must abandon Paul as inspired, which is my point of raising these issues this way.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Paul Does Partially Express Accurate Christology Had He Said Nothing Else</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong><em>In fairness to Paul</em></strong>, sometimes Paul did speak correctly on Jesus' true relationship to God -- an indwelling by the Father -- although Paul apparently meant it first existed only at the moment of Jesus' crucifixion. This is how 1st century gnostics enamored with Paul reconciled all his passages long ago. Thus, Paul correctly wrote: “God was <strong><em>in Christ</em></strong> reconciling the world to Himself.” (2 Cor. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor.%205:19&version=YLT">5:19</a> YLT). <em>See also</em> Col. 1:<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1&version=YLT">19</a>; Ephesians 4.32 & 1 Thessalonians 2.14. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Early gnostics reconciled these accurate statements by Paul about God fully indwelling Jesus with Paul's view of <em>kenosis</em> -- the emptying of Jesus of any God-hood when a pre-existent Jesus supposedly came to earth. The gnostics did so by claiming Jesus was emptied of God until the moment of crucifixion when God supposedly first fully dwelled in Jesus. Then when Jesus died, the creator-God died, and Jesus supposedly took his place as God.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Status of This Issue in Christendom</span></strong></span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Commentators know the problem, and thus never isolate Paul just to study only his views on Christ's nature. The reason why will become obvious on this page. For when you do so, then both Trinitarians and Unitarians should be shocked at Paul's views on the nature of Christ. There are five statements by Paul that are at total odds with various parts of these two leading explanations of Jesus's nature (<em>i.e.</em>, their<em> </em>Christology).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This means Paul's views might coincide with some Unitarian beliefs and some Trinitarian beliefs. But in the end, Paul's views cannot be fully reconciled to either. Which proves Paul cannot be inspired (due to his self-contradictions), and anyone believing in either Trinitarianism or Unitarianism cannot regard Paul as fully inspired. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Synopsis of Detailed Discussion Below of Paul's Five Controversial Statements</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>First</strong>, Paul imagines a non-eternal nature to Jesus which should shock trinitarians. Paul says Jesus was the "First-Born of creation." (Col. <a href="http://bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm">1:15</a>, ASV.) (Note that God says instead that His "first born" was Ephraim. Jer 31:9.) Paul at the same time says after God created Jesus that then Jesus created everything else (Col. <a href="http://bible.cc/colossians/1-16.htm">1:16</a>). This should shock both trinitarians and unitarians if everyone assumed Paul was correct in saying Jesus was non-eternal in the first place. How could a created being himself be the Creator? How could He be God? A Puzzle, to say the least. (The truth is what John explains - the Word <strong><em>in</em></strong> Jesus was God and it was the means of Creation. See our<a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html"> link</a> on the correct Christology. See also the next point.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Second</strong>, Paul then says in Phil. <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-6.htm">2:6</a>- <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a> when Jesus' being came to earth, he divested himself of a pre-existing quality that made him have an "equality with God," which should shock trinitarians and unitarians who maintain Jesus on Earth was <strong><em>fully indwelled</em></strong> by the Word and Father (John 1:1, <a href="http://bible.cc/john/1-14.htm">14</a>; John<a href="http://bible.cc/john/14-10.htm"> 14:10</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Third</strong>, Trinitarians should be shocked that Paul clearly denies Jesus is God in 1 Corinthians <a href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-28.htm">15:27-28</a> - in particular in verse 27. First, in verse 28, we read: "And when all things shall be subdued unto him [<em>i.e.</em>, Jesus], then shall the Son also himself<strong> be <strong><em>subject unto him</em></strong> [i.e., God the Father] </strong>that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This is in accord with 1 Cor. <a href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-24.htm">15:24</a>: "Then the end will come, when he [<em>i.e.</em>, Jesus] <strong><em>hands over the kingdom to God the Father</em></strong> after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power." (NIV) But it is verse <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2015&version=NIV">27</a> which <strong><em>slams the point</em></strong> that Paul says <em><strong>Jesus is NOT God</strong></em>: "Now when it says that 'everything' has been put under him, it is clear that<strong><em> this does not include God himself</em></strong>, who put everything under Christ." (NIV) Cf. Biblos, 1 Cor. <a href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-27.htm">15:27</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For a trinitarian who accepts Paul, the trinitarian would also have to accept that Paul<strong><em> just said</em></strong> in verse 27 that Jesus is NOT presently God. For Paul said Jesus is "subject" to God the Father, but when Paul says "everything" is put under Jesus, Paul clarifies that he does not mean "God" is also "under Christ." Logically, Christ cannot be God if you trust Paul's words as INSPIRED. It is also impossible for Oneness Christians to believe Jesus is "one" in a personal indwelling sense with God when Paul talks this way.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Finally</strong>, in Romans 7, Paul believes that when Jesus died, the husband of Israel -- the God of the Original Testament -- <em>literally</em> died. This supposedly freed God's people -- his wife -- from the Law, and thus His people were free to marry a new husband who does not require further obedience to the Law of Moses. Paul says we marry Christ in the NT, and this does not perpetuate the Law that only applied when the first husband was alive. (For full discussion, see <a href="/topicindex/167-romans-7-a-major-incongruity.html">Paul in Romans 7 Claims the God of Sinai is Dead</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, this implies that when Jesus resurrected, a <em><strong>different God</strong></em> emerged or otherwise Paul's conclusion that the Law of Moses died when the husband died makes no sense if the resurrected Jesus still represented the same God as the God of the OT. Again, Paul's greatest advocate -- Marcion -- in 144 A.D. deciphered Paul to be saying a very similar thing --- there was a God of the OT (the Creator of all material forces and of flesh who died and now rules only the underworld ... Hades, over the dead made up only of Sons of Israel) and Jesus as God </span><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">for the NT (created by the Father who dwelled in Jesus, and Jesus then as God took rule over gentiles living on earth’s surface as husband to the Gentiles.) See <em><a href="/topicindex/56-marcionism.html">Marcionism</a></em><a href="/topicindex/56-marcionism.html">.</a> This explains how Paul could now assert in Titus <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+2%3A13&version=NIV">2:13</a> that "our savior and great God" is Jesus Christ. Jesus was our new God on earth to replace the old husband God Yahweh </span><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">who died at the cross by dwelling in Jesus in that event, so Paul is saying in Romans 7:1-11. </span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and <strong><em>his name is called</em></strong> the <strong><em>Angel (Aggelos) of great counsel:</em></strong> for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. (See our article "<a href="/topicindex/359-isaiah-96-what-does-it-mean.html">Isaiah 9:6: The Hebrew, DSS & Septuagint Versions</a>.")</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">And the likely cause for Paul's belief Jesus was the creator yet not God was the Septuagint <strong>mistranslation</strong> of Psalm 102:22-34 which has in Greek God saying to another God: "Thou, <strong><em>Lord, at the beginning you founded the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands</em></strong>." (Ps. 102:25 LXX/Septuagint.) In the original Hebrew, however, a human annointed one says this instead about God -- God was the Creator. See our article "<a href="/topicindex/203-son-as-creator-in-epistle-to-the-hebrews.html">Begotten Son as Creator</a>."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But do Paul's words in Col.1:15-16 mean that Jesus is God because Paul says that the created-Jesus was then the creator of the heavens and earth? <strong>No</strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For Paul's words in Colossians precisely match up with Paul's denial of Jesus being God in 1 Cor. 8:6. There Paul says <strong><em>only the Father is God</em></strong>, even though it then says God-the-Father and Jesus both created all things. Paul says in 1 Cor. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%208:6&version=NIV">8:6</a> "yet for us there is <em><strong>but one God, the Fathe</strong></em><em><strong>r</strong></em>, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but <em><strong>one Lord, Jesus Christ</strong></em>, through whom all things came and through whom we live" (NIV). <em>Cf.</em> <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2:5&version=NIV"> 1 Tim. 2:5</a> ("there is one God, and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.")</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">These passages signify that Jesus could be co-creator with God-the-Father yet still there is "but <strong><em>one God, the Father</em></strong>" / "one God" which Paul clearly distinguishes from the "one Lord, Jesus Christ" / "the <strong><em>man</em></strong> Christ Jesus." Hence, Paul understood Jesus could be a creating agency yet still not be God, as Paul insists in the <strong>very same verse</strong> that there is "but <em>one God, the Father" </em>and "one God" in contradistinction to the "man Christ Jesus."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">A Trinitarian should be aghast at such statements in 1 Cor. 8:6 and 1 Tim. 2:5 from Paul. Paul clearly denies Jesus's role as creator implies Jesus is God. 'Only the Father is God,' Paul says. Jesus was distinct and the Lord. This means Paul believed despite Jesus being a creator of the heavens and world that Jesus was <strong><em>not God at that point. </em></strong> If you believe Paul is infallible (I do not), then Paul just blew a hole in the ship of Trinitarianism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But a Unitarian cannot claim triumph. Paul claims here that Jesus is a pre-existing creator of everything, yet he himself is distinct from the "one God, the Father." However, a favorite verse of unitarians is that God in Isaiah 44:24 denies there was any distinct person with Him involved in the creation of the heavens and the earth.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Due to the Septuagint version of Isaiah 9:6 where Messiah is an Angel of Great Counsel, and Paul's evident reliance on that in Col. 1:15, many early church leaders did not imagine Jesus could be God. In the book by Martin Werner, <em style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: medium;"><strong>The</strong> <strong>Formation of Christian Dogma</strong> </em>(1957), Werner explains the importance placed on Isaiah 9:6 in the Septuagint translation and Paul's conception of Jesus as a created being from the angelic realm prior to incarnation. Both Isaiah 9:6 in the Septuagint mistranslation and Paul's teaching blocked any modern Trinitarian concept of Jesus being God alongside the Father:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">When in the 305 AD period some in the church claimed Jesus was not merely indwelled by the Father, but identical to God, Bishop Arius in 306 A.D. rejected this, citing Paul's words that Jesus was the "first begotten of creation." As William Wachtel summarizes in his article "<a href="http://focusonthekingdom.org/articles/colossians.htm">Col. 1:15 Pre-Existence or Pre-Eminence</a>," the "Arians [based upon Col. 1:15] thought <strong><em>he (Jesus) had a beginning and was the first creature whom God made</em></strong>; while the Athanasians thought he had no beginning and was himself 'co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial' with the Father."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Christian scholar Grudem concurs: "support for the Arian view was <em><strong>found in Colossians 1:15</strong></em>." (Wayne A. Grudem, <em>Systematic theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine</em> (Zondervan, 1994) at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=DA8xl4eagDcC&lpg=PA243&dq=arius%20col.%201%3A15&pg=PA243#v=onepage&q=arius%20col.%201:15&f=false"> 243</a>.) </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Based on this, the Arians held, precisely as Paul teaches in Col. 1:15-16, that "Christ is<strong><em> a creature of the Father, though existing before the world</em></strong>," which interpretation was revived later by "Socinians, Unitarians and Rationalists." (J.P. Lange, <em>Commentary on the Holy Scriptures</em> (Scribner, 1871) Vol. 3 at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=d5lBAAAAYAAJ&dq=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&pg=PA447#v=onepage&q=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&f=false"> 447</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">While no orthodox scholar wishes to plainly say what this means, it is clear enough. Hugh Schonfield, a Nazarene Jew who believed Jesus was Messiah and who was critical of most tenets of orthodox Christianity, forcefully exploited Paul's words in Col. 1:15-16 to prove modern trinitarianism and the eternal-Son doctrine are invalidiated by Paul:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"Paul's <em><strong>Christ is not God, he is God's first creation</strong></em>, and there is<strong><em> no room for the trinitarian formula of the Athanasian Creed</em></strong> nor for its doctrine that the Son was 'not made, nor created, but begotten.'" (Schonfield, <em>Those Incredible Christians</em> (1968) at 249.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Some in the Roman church of 306 A.D. abhorred Arius doctrine even though it stemmed directly from Col. 1:15. One of the most vigorous defenders of the Trinity doctrine -- Bishop Gregory of Nyssa in 380 A.D. -- in the <em>Great Catechism</em> explained why in his attack on Arius (<em>i.e.</em>, Paul without naming Paul) as follows:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, the most common claim when the Roman church was first confronted with Paul's bizarre ideas -- later known as the Arian heresy of 306 A.D. -- was to claim this created being was the "eternal" Son of God (although Paul says not). This was accomplished by stretching the 'begetting' of Jesus as supposedly such a continual repetitive act of God in the past that it became meaningless to distinguish when it happened from eternity. Pope Alexander of Alexandria said the son exists "independently of God (the Father),<strong><em> continually begotten in a state of unbegottenness</em></strong>." (Martin Werner, <em>Formation of Christian Dogma</em> (Harper 1957) at 223.) From this self-contradictory explanation came the idea Jesus was "begotten not made" which appears in the Nicene Creed of 325 A.D. (Alexander was the leader of the opposition to the Arian heresy at the council of Nicea. See <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_of_Alexandria">Wikipedia</a></em>.) This is often called the Athanasian solution even if Athanasius was not demonstrably involved.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(For more background on the Nicene Council, and its rulings cowardly adopting the views of the Pontifex Maximus by Roman law of all religions in the empire -- Constantine -- who changed the church's view of Jesus to match Comstantine's god -- Sol Invictus, a pagan god who was a son of a father-god -- giving paganism a Christian veneer, see our <a href="/topicindex/239-council-of-nicea-of-325-ad.html">webpage</a> discussion.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But this 325 AD solution to Paul's claim that Jesus was the "first-begotten of creation" in Col. 1:15 led inexorably to the claim for the first time that Jesus was a co-substantial and co-eternal being <strong><em>separate and apart</em></strong> from the Father <strong><em>rather than a man indwelled by the Father</em></strong>. (Jesus claimed the latter. See John ch. 14.) This change blasted a hole in monotheism. As Wendt, Professor of Systematic Theology at Jena, wrote in 1907:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">When not only a heavenly personal pre-existence but an <strong><em>eternal, co-essential existence with the Father was attributed to the Son</em></strong>, the idea of the<em><strong> unity of God was lost</strong></em>. This was the important complaint of all Monarchians [<em>i.e.</em>, strict supporters of the unity of God.] (Hans Wendt, <em>System der Christlichen Lehre</em> (Gottingen: Vandenhoeck and Ruprecht, 1907) at 359, translated by Anthony Buzzard in <em>The Doctrine of The Trinity</em> (Oxford: International Scholars Publication, 1998) at 134.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, Paul's flawed words led to a view of Christ under the influence of a pagan ruler (Constantine) where Jesus was no longer one with the Father by an indwelling presence of the Father (John ch. 14), but instead was a distinct person who <strong><em>independently was God-the-Son apart from God-the-Father</em></strong>. In this way, the Trinity of 207 AD of Tertullian which accepted a non-eternal Son with a divine presence of the only true God -- the Father -- was materially altered in 325 AD. It was done in a manner that destroyed Monotheism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Indeed, Gregory of Nyssa, the leader of the Council of Constantinople of 381 AD said the new version of the Trinity was specifically <strong><em>designed to prove the monotheism of Jews was a heresy</em></strong>. This was part of the Roman government's campaign to distance Christianity from Judaism. If you doubt this, take a look at<a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html"> </a>our webpage on <a href="/topicindex/208-exaltation-that-turns-idolatrous.html">Exaltation that Turned Idolatrous</a> where we cite and link to the ancient records of Gregory's writings which <strong><em>expressly</em></strong> affirm the reformulated trinity doctrine of 381 AD was<strong><em> designed to refute monotheism</em></strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Moreover, this Athanasian solution of 325 AD also taught that the "eternal son" was given the honor of creating everything (Kinlaw, <em>Let's Start With Jesus </em>(2005)) but this ran up against Isaiah <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2044:24&version=NIV">44:24</a>. Whether Jesus was the "eternal son" as the Athanasians claimed or instead was the "firstborn of creation," as Paul teaches, either way this violates Isaiah 44:24. There God says no one but Himself created <strong><em>everything</em></strong>, which would rule out, by necessity, a being who himself was created per Paul -- part of "everything" that God says He created -- also being creator of all things. It also rules out an "independent" eternal son who is continually begotten in a state of unbegottenness, employed in the Nicene conception of Christ, as an "independent" creator from God the Father.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The truth was that if instead the LOGOS indwells Jesus (John 1:14, "became flesh"), as Jesus Himself says -- but the "<strong><em>Logos is not mine</em></strong> but my Father's who sent me" (John 14:24), then indeed the LOGOS that came to indwell Jesus created all things. This is because the "Logos/ Word," John tells us, "was God." (John 1:1.) Professor Hans Wendt taught<strong><em> this was the solution that reconciles all the texts</em></strong>. Loofs, citing Wendt, says this "justifies our finding<em><strong> God in Christ</strong></em> when we pray to him." (Friedrich Loofs, <em>What Is The Truth About Christ: Problems in Christology</em> (Scribner's 1913) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KoZLAAAAIAAJ&dq=wendt%20system%20der%20christlichen&pg=PA239#v=onepage&q=wendt%20system%20der%20christlichen&f=false">239</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But if Paul is correct on the "first-begotten" nature of Christ or the "eternal son" solution were correct, then the creator was not the Logos/Word but <em>a being created by God</em> which would violate Isaiah 44:24. In Isaiah 44:24 we read:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> The Nicene notion of an "eternal son" made no sense. How can a begotten son be an eternal son? The Nicene solution was the only way the church could accept Paul's notion in Col. 1:15 (Jesus was the "first begotten") and yet insist Jesus was eternal and thus approximately divine. In the end, the correct trinitarianism of Tertullian was tossed out, and a new version of trinitarianism employed after 325 AD which by 381 was deliberately reformulated to destroy monotheism, just as Gregory of Nyssa explained was his intention supervising the 381 AD Council that first adopted the Trinity. See <a href="/topicindex/208-exaltation-that-turns-idolatrous.html">Exaltation That Turned Idolatrous</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">How do contemporary Trinitarians solve Paul's Col. 1:15-17? Some Christians believe Jesus is an Angel equal to God. For Christians who believe this, see <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/angel.html">ChristianAnswers</a>. Specifically, to save the Trinity and accept Paul's claim that God could be less than eternal and Jesus be a created being, Christian Answers contends all is reconciled if we conclude Jesus was an "Angel of the Lord" mentioned at Gen. 18:2 and Joshua 5:13,15. <em>Id. </em> But an angel is not the same as God, and this is not a proper Trinitarian defense. Incidentally, the Septuagint translation from 257 BC of Isaiah 9:6 identifies the Messiah as an Angel of the Lord, and thus would help Christian Answers. However, this was a Septuagint mistranslation of the Hebrew into Greek. See<a href="/topicindex/359-isaiah-96-what-does-it-mean.html"> our page</a> on that issue.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Finally, there are Trinitarians today when faced with Col. 1:15 who are unable to stomach the Angel-solution or the self-delusion that an "eternal Son" is consistent with a "begotten" son. So they respond that<strong><em> no one can believe Paul means what he says</em></strong> in Col. 1:15. Mr. Wachtel, in the article previously cited, says: "This writer questions seriously, however, whether any such ideas were in Paul’s mind or<strong><em> in God’s inspiration through the Spirit</em></strong> upon Paul’s writing of Scripture." (Wachtel, <em>i<a href="http://focusonthekingdom.org/articles/colossians.htm">d.</a>) </em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Mr. Wachtel makes an argument that <em>prototokos</em> has a figurative meaning "first" or "chief position." To this end he cites as proof that <em>protos</em> means first. However, he <strong><em>omits</em></strong> that <em><a href="http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/toko-">tokos</a></em> means "childbirth." Hence, to read the word <em>prototokos</em> by <strong><em>severing its prefix from its second half</em></strong> -- "childbirth" -- is <strong>clearly dilution</strong>. Then Wachtel cites two verses where <em>protokos</em> is translated as "first born" but he contends should mean "first" or "chief position" because (a) Israel (a nation which did not experience 'childbirth') is called <em>protokos</em> in Ex. 4:22 and (b) Ephraim is called <em>protokos</em> even though Manasseh is the older son. Jer. 31:9.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But neither claim has merit in context. In Ex. 4:22, we read: “This is what YHWH says: Israel is my <strong><em>firstborn son</em></strong>. . . . Let my son go, so he may worship me.” This means Israel is a figurative firstborn, but it does not mean Israel is only in "chief" position or "first" position. (In fact, if Israel is God's "firstborn son," and Paul teaches Jesus is God's "firstborn son," then we have another contradiction of Paul and an inspired prophet. Another oops!) And Manasseh sold his birthright, and hence Ephraim was now legally first-born. Thus, these examples do not help salvage Paul.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">No, the truth is Paul depicted Jesus as the "first-born of all creation," and hence <strong><em>as a non-eternal being</em></strong>. By definition, Paul's usage means Jesus could not be actually God in contravention of Trinitarian belief. Jesus would have to be another being from God -- perhaps one that God made His "equal" in God's prerogative. (Paul indeed had this view, as Phil. 2:6 and 2:7 proves. See <em>infra</em>.) This is why Paul unquestionably is the direct progenitor of Arius' similar view of 306 A.D. which was condemned ultimately by the victorious Bi-deity party of 325 A.D.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In Philippians, Paul depicts Jesus as in heaven before incarnation and is equal to God, but then empties himself of Godhood to come to Earth in the "likeness of men." What the King James translates "made himself of no reputation" is the Greek word for "emptied." It is derived from the Greek word <em>kenosis</em>, meaning "to empty."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Many translations obscure Paul's words because they know the literal text is so problematical -- even pagan in concept. However, we must restore the original meaning for <em>kenosis</em> by a proper translation as a means of weighing Paul's validity as inspired or not. Here is the King James but with the correction of the erroneous translation placed in brackets:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 6 Who, being <em><strong>in the form of God</strong></em>, thought it not robbery to be <em><strong>equal with God</strong></em>:</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 7 But made himself of no reputation [<em>i.e.</em>,“<em><strong>emptied” (Greek ekeno-sen) himself</strong></em>], and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the <em><strong>likeness of men</strong></em>:</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;</span><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philipians ch. 2 KJV.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Even the King James Version is embarassed at what it is reading in the underlying original Greek. It tries a deliberate gloss to save our modern ears from being aware what Paul is truly saying. The KJV glosses over the true language, claiming Paul said Jesus "made himself of no reputation" -- a <em><strong>complete and utter distortion</strong></em> in place of the single word in Greek which simply means "emptied."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Greek word <em>kenoo</em> literally means “to empty; to make empty; or to make vain or void.” Jesus did not make himself vain or void. When you compare verse 6 against verse 7, the only meaning that makes sense is he "<em><strong>emptied himself</strong></em>." Verse 6 says Jesus began as one "equal with God." Verse 7 says he ended up in the "form of a servant and made in the likeness of men." The transitional activity is the Greek verb "<em>kenoo</em>" -- and must mean "emptied himself." This accomplished the transition from one "equal with God" in heaven to one who was now made in the "likeness of men."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Calvin in the 1500s saw Paul's words exactly the same way as I read them -- as signifying a pre-existent Being who was God (or God's equal, to hew closer to Paul's words) who then "emptied himself," and changed into a servant. Calvin wrote:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In order to exhort us to submission by His example, he shows, that <em><strong>when as God </strong></em>he might have displayed to the world the brightness of His glory, <em><strong>he gave up His right</strong></em>, and voluntarily <em><strong>emptied Himself</strong></em>; that he <em><strong>assumed the form of a servant</strong></em> .... (John Calvin, <em>Institutes of the Christian Religion</em>, Book 2, Chapter 13, pt.2.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">We will now show how this contradicts the Bible's claim of the complete indwelling of Jesus by the Word and the Father. (See below <em>Analysis of Paul's Doctrine of Kenosis</em>.) Jesus was not a mere empty shell after the Word entered Him.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #800080; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>A. Analysis of Paul's Doctrine of Kenosis</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">What we explored so far about a pre-existent being emptying himself of godhood is known in theological discussions as Paul's doctrine of <em>kenosis</em>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In Greek, <em>kenos</em> means <em>empty</em>, and <em>kenosis</em> means <em>emptying</em>. Paul's words in Philippians <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a> are altered in some translations so as to obscure what he truly is saying. The NIV has Paul say Jesus "made himself nothing." But the NRSV correctly has it "he emptied himself." The correct wording was around alot longer than the modern efforts to obscure it. This doctrine in Christian theology goes back a long time, and is aptly summarized in this Wikipedia article entitled <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis">Kenosis</a>:</em></span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The <em><strong>doctrine of Kenosis</strong></em> attempts to explain what the Son of God chose to give up in terms of his <em><strong>divine attributes</strong></em>, in order to assume human nature. Since the incarnate Jesus is simultaneously fully human and fully divine, Kenosis holds that these changes were temporarily assumed by God in his incarnation, and that when Jesus ascended back into heaven following the resurrection, he fully reassumed all of his original attributes and divinity.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This means that those literally reading Paul assume Paul referred to the Son of God in a pre-existent form distinct from God-the-Father. Yet, this Son of God was supposedly still God while distinct from God-the-Father. The Arians in 306 AD were claiming Jesus was "begotten," and thus not eternal, and hence he could not be God. To counter this, the embattled Roman Catholic church deduced Paul meant Jesus was an "<em><strong>eternal Son of God.</strong></em>" (As demonstrated above, they used the specious notion of 'continual begetting' to ignore Col. 1:15 which incongruously said Jesus was the "first born of creation" which supported Arianism.) This explains why the Athanasian Creed in the 800s required Christians to affirm Jesus was the "<em><strong>eternal</strong></em> Son of God". (<em>DCMS </em>at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=MlPrYQ5srKEC&lpg=PP1&dq=did%20calvin%20murder%20servetus&pg=PA369">369</a>.) This "eternal" sonhood claim first arose in 306 A.D. to battle the Arian heresy that held Christ was not an eternal being. <em>Id</em>., at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=MlPrYQ5srKEC&lpg=PP1&dq=did%20calvin%20murder%20servetus&pg=PA221">221</a>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Clearly, any logical analysis proves Paul conceived that prior to the Incarnation there were two beings distinct from one another. One was God and then God created a second being who was "equal to God." Paul did not expressly say Jesus was the pre-existent Son of God, but this is HOW theologians tried to identify later who Paul was describing as a pre-existent being distinct from the Father and created by the Father. It is Colossians 1:15-16 that helps confirm this interpretation.<em><strong> Paul says Jesus was God's first creation</strong></em>, and then Jesus in turn created everything else. Hence, Paul probably meant in Phil. 2:7 that Jesus was Son of God before his human birth and had an "equality with God," but then emptied himself of those attributes that made Him have an "equality with God" so as to take on the "likeness" of human flesh.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #800080; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>B. RCC Recently Confessed This Christological Error in Paul's Kenosis Doctrine</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">While we Protestants skirted the kenosis doctrine of Paul by changing the translation, Roman Catholics never did and thus had to live with it. Until 1951, it was a firm rubric of their doctrine. But in 1951, they shook off Paul by claiming the prior interpretation "of Paul" was wrong.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, the Roman Catholic Church since 1951 now affirms that John 1:1 is true, and that Paul's kenosis conception in Philippians <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a>, as previously traditionally understood, is now to be rejected as a "rash and false understanding." In other words, the RCC now realizes Paul's words contradict John 1:1, and the "Word was God...and the Word was made flesh," but they try to avoid saying Paul was wrong. Instead, those who thought Paul taught <em>kenosis</em> are supposedly now wrong in so interpreting Paul as teaching <em>kenosis</em>. (This avoids a direct attack on Paul himself.) So in 1951, Pope Pius XII wrote <em>Sempiternus Rex Christus</em> in which he said some 'misunderstand' Paul in Philippians <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a>, and we cannot allow that to destroy the message of John 1:1.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There is another enemy of the faith of Chalcedon, widely diffused outside the fold of the Catholic religion. This is an opinion for which a<strong><em> rashly and falsely understood sentence of St. Paul's</em></strong> Epistle to the Philippians (ii, 7), supplies a basis and a shape. This is called the <strong>kenotic doctrine</strong>, and according to it, they<em><strong> imagine that the divinity was taken away from the Word in Christ</strong></em>. It is a <strong><em>wicked invention</em></strong>, equally to be condemned with...Docetism....(Ep. xxviii, 3. PL. Liv, 763. Cf. Serm. xxiii, 2. PL. lvi, 201)(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis">Wikipedia</a>)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But saying it is not so does not make it not so. The pope's insistence does not change the facts. Paul does mean that the "first born of creation" (Col. 1:15) who in turn created everything then "emptied himself," not counting "equality with God" to be a thing to be held onto and came to Earth (Phil.<a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-6.htm">2:6</a>, <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a>.) The pope is right that this contradicts John 1:1 and thus is a "wicked invention." But it is not the fault of those reading Paul. It is the fault of Paul himself.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff; font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong>Further Reading on Kenosis Doctrine</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For more on Kenotic Christology, see <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_6Z2EsNxdPMC&dq=Aquinas+1981+Summa+Theologiae+Christian+Classics&source=gbs_navlinks_s"><em>Exploring Kenotic Christology: The Self-Emptying of God</em></a> (ed. C. Stephen Evans) (Oxford University Press, 2006). Interestingly, Ronald Feenstra's article in Evans' work exposes that Paul's kenosis doctrine led Aquinas to conclude "Man is God," because it follows from Paul's kenosis doctrine that "God is man," <em>i.e.</em>, Jesus the Man was God with no attributes of God due to an inseperable hypostatic union. <em>Id.</em>, at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_6Z2EsNxdPMC&lpg=PA145&dq=Aquinas%201981%20Summa%20Theologiae%20Christian%20Classics&pg=PA145#v=onepage&q=Aquinas%201981%20Summa%20Theologiae%20Christian%20Classics&f=false">145</a> (citing <em>Summa Theologiae</em>, IIIa 16.2.) Later astute atheists in the Enlightenment exploited Aquinas' dictum "Man is God," and tried to start a humanist religion on that premise. See <em>Appendices de la Seconde Edition de l'Esprit des Religions</em> (Cercle Social 1792) at 97 (says "Man is all" and "Man is God" -- the latter words lifted directly from Aquinas.) Needless to say, such a logical deduction proves the terrible danger of taking Paul as an inspired voice.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">If you are a oneness / unitarian Christian or trinitarian and believe Paul is inspired, this is another verse that will throw you for a loop. You would have to face the fact that Paul says that despite the Ascension Jesus remains in an inferior position to God the Father forever, and Paul expressly says "God" is <em><strong>not subject </strong></em>to Jesus, clearly signifying that Paul did not regard Jesus as God. Trinitarians' beliefs are smashed by Paul. Likewise, for oneness parties, God therefore could not fully indwell Jesus and be "one" with Him if an<em><strong> inequality persists</strong></em> even now in heaven.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:28: "And when all things shall be subdued unto him [<em>i.e.</em>, Jesus], then shall the Son also himself<strong><em> be subject unto him [i.e., God the Father] </em></strong>that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This is in accord with 1 Cor. 15:24: "Then the end will come, when he [<em>i.e.</em>, Jesus] hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power." (NIV) And verse 28 is led into by this clarifying verse: "Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this <strong><em>does not include God himself</em></strong>, who put everything under Christ." (1 Cor. <a href="http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/15-27.htm">15:27</a>.)</span></p>
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<h3><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><strong><span style="color: #800080;">a) First, Paul Says The Ascended Jesus Is Not God</span></strong></span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, for a trinitarian who accepts Paul, Paul just said Jesus is NOT God. For Paul said Jesus is "subject" to God the Father, but when Paul says "everything" is put under Jesus, Paul clarifies that he does not mean "God" is also "under Christ." Paul's precise words were "this does<strong><em> not include God himself</em></strong> who put everything under Christ." Then in verse 28 Paul clearly says, in effect, Jesus will never resume an equality with God after the Ascension although when Jesus supposedly left heaven, Jesus had it. Jesus will be forever the Son subject to God the Father in heaven.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">James D.G. Dunn says this. He is without question one of the most significant New Testament scholars of the last 50 years. In 2010, Dunn says 1 Cor. 15:24-28 proves Paul did not view Jesus as God. Dunn explains that in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul is particularly clear that "the <em>kyrios</em> title [rendered as 'Lord'] is not so much a way of <em>identifying</em> Jesus with God, but as a way of <em>distinguishing</em> Jesus from God." (Dunn, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Did-First-Christians-Worship-Jesus/dp/0664231969?ie=UTF8&tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&link_code=btl&camp=213689&creative=392969" target="_blank"><em>Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?: The New Testament Evidence</em></a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&l=btl&camp=213689&creative=392969&o=1&a=0664231969" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="display: none !important;" border="0" /> (SPCK/Westminster John Knox, 2010) at <a href="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2010/06/james-d-g-dunn-did-first-christians.html">110</a>); James Dunn, <em>Unity and Diversity</em> (SCM Press, 1990) at 53 (same words).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Similarly, Colin Brown, DD, University of Nottingham; PhD, University of Bristol and Professor of Systematic Theology at Fuller Theological Seminary, edited a translation of the classic Protestant text abbreviated as DNTT. Zondervan markets it currently under the title <em>The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology</em> (Colin Brown, ed.)(Paternoster Press, 1976) (first released 1932). This famous and highly <a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-International-Dictionary-Testament-Theology/dp/085364425X">authoritative</a> text comments on the meaning of 1 Cor. 15:28, saying -- as clear as can be tolerated by the Trinitarian mainstream -- that the Trinity doctrine of 381 AD is contradicted by Paul:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Jesus Christ does <strong><em>not usurp the place of God</em></strong>. His oneness with the Father does <strong><em>not mean absolute identity</em></strong>. After his completion of his work on earth he has indeed been raised to the right hand of God and invested with the honor of the heavenly Lord. But <strong><em>he is still not made equal to God</em></strong>. Although completely coordinated with God, he <strong><em>remains subordinate to Him</em></strong> (cf. <strong><em>1 Cor. 15:28</em></strong>.). <em>Id.</em>, Vol. 2 at 80. [See <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KYktt_ZiTGcC&lpg=PA340&dq=Although%20completely%20coordinated%20with%20God%2C%20he%20remains%20subordinate%20to%20Him&pg=PA339">paraphrasing in this source </a>.]</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This classic Protestant treatise, while not expressly disavowing the Trinity (as explained in 381 AD), then comments on the historical short-comings of the 381 AD-Trinity doctrine: "Primitive Christianity did<strong><em> not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity</em></strong> such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds." In other words, Paul did not share a Trinitarian conception as later arose.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So there you have it -- the famous DNTT based upon Paul says Jesus does not have an "absolute identity" with God, and is "not made equal to God" and "remains subordinated" to God. But Trinitarians of the 381 AD mold insist "He was in the form of God and <strong><em>equal to God</em></strong>." (Christopher Wordsworth <em>The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ</em> (1859) Volume 3 at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=JeIPAAAAYAAJ&dq=Jesus%20Christ%20does%20not%20usurp%20the%20place%20of%20God.&pg=PA341#v=onepage&q=Jesus%20Christ%20does%20not%20usurp%20the%20place%20of%20God.&f=false">341</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Similarly, Paul also violates the Trinitarian doctrine of 381 AD that says Jesus in heaven is equal to God, and not subordinate. (Kevin Giles, <em>Jesus and the Father: modern evangelicals reinvent the doctrine of the Trinity</em> (2006) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ACwJIt_bpn4C&lpg=PA159&dq=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&pg=PA160">160</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For Paul instead clearly says in the end God will "subject" Jesus to God Himself, and if we are subject to Jesus, then God will thereby have put all things under Himself though Jesus. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:28 then clearly says Jesus is eternally subordinate to the Father: "And when all things shall be subdued unto him [<em>i.e.</em>, Jesus], then shall the Son<strong><em> also himself</em></strong><strong><strong><em> be subject unto him</em></strong> [i.e., God the Father] </strong>that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Calvin who otherwise tried to say Jesus and the Father are equal in heaven (Giles, <em>id</em>. at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ACwJIt_bpn4C&lpg=PA159&dq=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&pg=PA164#v=onepage&q=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&f=false">164</a>) admitted Paul's words clearly speak otherwise in 1 Corinthians 15 as the final eternal state of the Kingdom. Calvin wrote: "the Father has given all things into the hands of his Son in such a way to <strong><em>retain the principal right</em></strong> in his own hands." When the end comes, and Jesus has "subjected all things to himself, then shall the Son<strong><em> subject himself to the Father</em></strong>." (Calvin, <em>Bible Commentaries, Corinthians</em> (1847) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=rOf9Y7HMnYUC&lpg=PA17&dq=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false">20</a>.) Jesus will act as the Father's "Vice-regent." (<em>Id.</em>, at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=rOf9Y7HMnYUC&lpg=PA17&dq=calvin%20christ%20inferior%20father&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false">21</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But in the <em>Institutes</em>, Calvin clearly says the very same teaching he found in Paul (without mentioning Paul) of a<strong><em> begotten</em></strong> divine essence in Jesus would be a "detestable figment," as though the Father were the "author of the Deity of the Son." Calvin then states: "If they admit that the Son is God, but<em> </em><strong><em>inferior </em></strong><strong><em>to the </em></strong><strong><em>Father</em></strong>, then in him the essence must be begotten and created, which in the Father is unbegotten and uncreated." — John Calvin : <em>Institutes of the Christian Religion, </em>book i. chap. xiii. 23, 24. In other words, if Jesus were truly begotten by God rather than an eternal Son (as Calvin contended in his battle with Servetus) and Jesus were truly inferior to God, then Jesus could not be God because God is unbegotten and uncreated and cannot be inferior to himself if He is one.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Yet, didn't Calvin say Paul spoke this way about Jesus Christ in 1 Cor. 15:27-28 in the quote we gave above from Calvin's commentary on Corinthians? Where the Father retains His "principal right" and makes Jesus "subject" to the Father forever? Of course, that is precisely what Calvin saw in 1 Cor. 15:28 but in the <em>Institutes</em> Calvin admits this view (which we proved Calvin said belongs to Paul) is a contradiction of an equality of Deity between the Son and Father.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So we must ask: where is the supposed equality and non-subordination and consequent divinity of Christ in standard Trinitarian beliefs (from 381 AD) if you regard Paul as inspired? Paul completely controverts standard Trinitarian doctrine.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">How can any of these two beliefs -- Trinitarianism of the 381 AD mold and Oneness-Unitarianism -- survive the words of Paul in 1 Cor. 15? I don't know but I do not take Paul as inspired in any of this, so <strong><em>I have no such problem</em></strong>! I trust whatever Jesus said about His nature, and I rely upon no one else's opinion. (On what Jesus says about His divine nature, see this <a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html">link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The only way to cope that traditional Trinitarians have tried is to engage in obscuring the problem of Paul. They do this by distancing Paul as the source of any problem. For example Douglas Webster in <em>A Passion for Christ: An Evangelical Christology</em> (Regent College, 2001) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=oJPzFFtYZ2gC&lpg=PA84&dq=arius%20col.%201%3A15&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q=arius%20col.%201:15&f=false">84</a> says of Bishop Arius of 306 A.D.:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">No, that is false. Arius cited directly the words of Paul in 1 Cor. 15:27-28 and Col. 1:15 which says precisely this. Webster is deluding himself to avoid the fact that Paul is Arius's source and is properly being read by Arius. The fact Origen read Paul the same way does not make Origen the source of the idea.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Others simply affirm a self-contradiction, and pretend there is not one. The <em>New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge</em> says: "The subordination of the Son...to the Father is a voluntary though evidently permanent relationship that <strong><em>does not detract or deny the equal deity of the Son</em></strong>...."<em> </em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But saying it is so does not make it so. As Calvin said, if God has two modes of being, they<strong><em> cannot be unequal to each other</em></strong>; one cannot be superior to the other because they are the same. To accept subordination of Jesus to God, as Paul expresses the relationship (not Jesus to the Father), destroys any notion of Jesus' deity as Trinitarianism asserts.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">To repeat, the better solution for a Trinitarian is my solution. Stop viewing Paul as inspired. Then look for what Jesus says about Himself to properly understand Jesus's Divinity. (On my view of a correct Christology, see this<a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html"> link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul in <a href="http://biblehub.com/text/philippians/2-7.htm">Philippians 2:7</a> says Jesus was "made in the <em><strong>likeness of men</strong></em>" (homoiomati anthropon). This is similar to Paul's statement in <a href="http://biblehub.com/text/romans/8-3.htm">Romans 8:3</a> that Jesus was "sent in the <em><strong>likeness of the flesh</strong></em> of sin" (homoiomati sarkos hamartias). Yet, Philippians 2:7 is more blunt that Jesus was made to look like men, clearly implying Jesus was not a true man. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">While Romans 8:3 is a problem for Paul defenders, some claim Paul is not denying Jesus had true human flesh like you and me. However, those arguments dissipate when Philippians 2:7 is examined; it is too blunt, and cannot be similarly explained away. In Philippians, Paul does not say Jesus had human flesh; Paul says only that Jesus appeared that way. MacFarland amplifies this, commenting on the passage: "However, it is important to note that Jesus 'was made' in the<em><strong> likeness of men</strong></em>; the LORD God actively made Jesus to<em><strong> resemble human beings</strong></em>." (MacFarland, <a href="http://www.guidedbiblestudies.com/applications/50_002.html">Becker Bible Studies Application</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Why is a comment on this part of Philippians <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a> so important? Because this is another incongruous Christological statement by Paul. John is clear that the "Word <em><strong>became flesh</strong>;</em>." Jesus was fully human, and did <em><strong>not merely appear</strong></em> to have human flesh as Paul states. But Paul confirms again he does not believe Jesus was a true human being in <a href="http://biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/1.htm">Galatians 1:1</a>, saying “Paul, an apostle, not through men, neither by man, <strong>but by Jesus Christ,</strong> and God the Father....”</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In sum, Paul has a view of Jesus's pre-existent "equality with God" which Jesus gave up to come to Earth and while here, Paul says Jesus only appeared to be human because Paul believes Jesus was a pre-existent being equal to God who now existed without Godhood on Earth but did not become a man...He just had the appearance of being a human / man. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Why is docetism so dangerous? Because it undermines the gospel. The truth is Jesus had no special flesh that prevented him from sinning or suffering. Jesus could "feel our infirmities" and thus was "tempted in the same way we are." (Hebrews 4:15.) (Barnabas is the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews. See this <a href="/topicindex/272-authorship-of-hebrews.html">link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Jesus thus had to resist sin the same way we all have to, including the temptation not to go to the Cross. His advantage was He had the <em><strong>Word indwelling Him which gave Him perfect knowledge how to avoid sin</strong></em>. Thus Jesus's triumph over sin is an example that encourages us to follow if we can incorporate the Word Jesus shared with us, and we abide in Jesus as He abided in the Father. (John ch. 14.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">To say Jesus only appeared to have human flesh undermines the importance of making Jesus's words "abiding in us and we abide in" Jesus (John 14). This abiding is one key to us replicating Jesus' righteous behavior. We are supposed to follow His example of righteousness by His having the Word in himself. By our adopting Jesus's teachings (which came from the unique Word's presence in Him), then this gives us the "power" to "become sons of God" (John ch. 1). The notion that Jesus passed all tests because <em><strong>He had a flesh that could not be tempted or suffer is what docetism fosters, and makes it so inimical to accepting the true principles of salvation</strong></em>. Actual righteousness is not just for Jesus, as so many Christians believe today.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The great harm from Paul's ideas first manifested itself in the 300s and beyond. They developed clearly docetic views of Jesus' flesh, <span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><em>i.e.</em>, its mere appearance of looking human but not truly being human</span>. Jerome from the 400s commented on Matthew 26 that it was ridiculous to think Jesus "was afraid of death" or "spoke in terror about the passion" (Jerome, <em>In Matthaeum</em> Bk. IV ch. 26:39.) Likewise, Hilary in <em>On The Trinity</em> (386 AD) said "<strong><em>No more in the passion did the flesh of Christ feel pain </em></strong>than if you were to wound fire or water with a sword." (Hilary, <em>De Trinitate</em> Bk. 9: 56 and Bk. 10:23.) This creates a false sense that Jesus never had a hard time resisting sin, or was never concerned about the pain of the Cross. Without Paul weighing us in the opposite direction that Jesus merely had the "likeness of men," the Gospels are clear that the contrary is true. The Word was "made flesh." (John 1:14.) Sweet and simple.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In sum, Paul gave us a conception of two beings in Heaven before Christ came --- one was God and the other had an "equality with God." Paul says Jesus had an "equality with God" but himself was created by God as the "<strong><em>first born</em></strong> of creation." (Col. 1:15.) This non-eternal Son while "equal to God" (although not eternal) supposedly also was the creator of everything else. (Col. 1:16.) Hence, a non-eternal being, as Paul depicts Christ, was the Creator of the heavens and earth including Man. After doing so, this Son then emptied himself of godhood, and supposedly came to Earth in the "likeness of men." (Phil.<a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">According to Paul, the emptied shallowed-out previously equal-to-God Son --- Jesus --- only became equal to the God-of-Sinai again at some point prior to His death. His death then symbolized the death of the husband to Israel (<em>i.e.</em>, Yahweh), thus dissolving the Law between the husband-God and his wife. (Romans 7:1-7.) Then when Jesus resurrected, Jesus was a different husband than the husband-God at Sinai (<em>i.e.</em>, Yahweh) and no longer required obedience to the Law given Moses. (See Romans 7, discussed at this <a href="/topicindex/167-romans-7-a-major-incongruity.html">link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Was Marcion so wrong to infer from Paul that the resurrected Jesus represented a new loving God-the-Father of the NT who Paul says created humanity in place of Yahweh who only was the creator of Jesus -- Yahweh being </span><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">supposedly dismissable as a uniquely harsh and arbitrary God of the OT who died at the cross in Jesus' body and now reigns in Hades -- Hell -- over only the OT saints? (For more on Marcionism, see our<a href="/topicindex/56-marcionism.html"> webpage</a> on that movement.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Further, Paul's ideas that Jesus only came in the appearance of men in Phil. <a href="http://bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm">2:7 </a>spawned Marcion in 144 A.D. to teach docetism. Apostle John in the Epistle of 2nd John condemned docetism as from the anti-Christ (<em>i.e.</em>, Satan, in my view).</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"Many deceivers, who do <em><strong>not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in human flesh</strong> </em>[Greek, <em>sarx</em>, human flesh], have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 1:7.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"I found your article about Paul to be very interesting and thought-provoking." (May 24, 2011, Sea Hawk Fan.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">A. Buzzard, <em>The Doctrine of the Trinity</em> (1998) has several comments that prove a unitarian has hard-going due to Paul's words at odds with monotheism, properly understood as a single-creator. I have a <a href="/topicindex/430-buzzard-on-paul-over-christology.html">webpage</a> where I collect his struggling comments. This minister essentially comes down to the view that Jesus' words have a priority over the 'difficult-to-understand'' and thereby seemingly 'self-contradictory' Christological views one finds in Paul's letters. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Servetus (a modern individual) has an article entitled the "Christology of Paul" which is interesting. See this link: <a href="http://servetustheevangelical.com/doc/What_Was_the_Paul's_Christology.pdf">http://servetustheevangelical.com/doc/What_Was_the_Paul's_Christology.pdf</a></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The <em>Jewish Encyclopedia</em>'s article on Paul criticizes Paul's Christology because it goes beyond what Jesus says -- which "Judeao-Christians" can accept -- namely Jesus atoned for sin. Paul goes further, and says Jesus was the "world's artificer," taking from God an attribute monotheism gives only to God. And then says Paul interjects the pagan concepts of a divinity emptying itself to become earthbound and die for its creation to reconcile it to himself. For further discussion, see our Page "<a href="/topicindex/415-jewish-view-of-pauls-doctrine.html">Jewish View of Paul</a>."</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The NIV translates <a href="http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/titus-2-13">Titus 2:13</a> as:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is troubling for Unitarians. Again, I have no such problems because Paul is not the arbiter of Christ's nature. Jesus is, and Jesus never says this.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">“…looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” (NASB)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The article "Titus 2:13" in Biblical Unitarianism offers grammatical possibilities that Paul really means to say when Jesus returns, we will see the "glory" of God and of our savior, Jesus Christ, wherein the former - "glory of God" -- Jesus in Matt 16:7 Jesus equates with the "Glory of the Father," that is, the Son of Man comes "with the glory of the Father." </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">While this is perfectly sensible, one can see the counter-argument based upon Titus 2:13. To which I say, how does the Pauline Trinitarian explain Titus 2:13 in light of Colossians 1:15-17 where Jesus is created by someone other than Himself? How can "God" be created by another God, and there not be more than one God? If Jesus is truly equated with God in Titus 2:13, then how do Pauline Trinitarians explain Paul says that all things will be put under Christ by God, and all things be subject to Jesus except "God"? For if Jesus is God, how can God put all things under God (Jesus) with the exception that God will not put Himself under Jesus? Would God speak of His relationship to Himself in this incongruous way? </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Obviously, the Unitarian explanation of Titus 2:13 is the only one that fits. (I take no position on this). It alone removes such incongruities. But then these incongruities still destroy unitarianism and trinitarianism. Only Jesus' teaching that that Father indwells Himself resolves all controversies raised by Paul's incoherent and self-contradictory expressions.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In an article entitled "<a href="http://www.bible.ca/su-deity-christ.htm">Deity of Jesus</a>" Christ, we read of the Jehovah Witnesses:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">They teach that Jesus was<em><strong> created by God just prior to creation</strong></em>. Jesus then created everything else. (Col 1:16,17 NWT inserts "other" before "things" to make the text read, "By Him all OTHER things were created". The word "other" inserted throughout the text is not in the original Greek.) Jesus is not considered to be equal to God at all but a lesser being. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">And this article said the Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is not equal to God. This too is Paul's claim. However, Jesus says He was indwelled by the Father, and thus in that sense, the Divinity in Him was equal to God for it was God Himself abiding in Jesus, just like God did so at the Temple at Jerusalem. Hence, the Jehovah Witnesses have adopted two of the five flawed ideas of Paul listed in the main article above.</span></p>
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