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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Even in the old testament, in Jeremiah 31:33, it says that God will write a new law. It is the new covenant that was predicted. We can't be both under the old and under the new. Jesus Himself was in the process of bringing in the new covenant. In Hebrews it says there must be a change to the law. If you understand the Bible correctly, it all reconciles just fine. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">You folks are so intent on believing that we are still under the old covenant and the old testament, that you will even attack Paul. Now you finally admit that in order to stay under the old covenant, you basically have to throw out half the new testament. But if you throw out the Pauline letters, you will have to throw out Acts as well, since Luke believes that Paul is legit. And that would make the gospel of Luke suspect, since that would make Luke also, apparently unreliable. And since Peter also affirms Paul, we'll toss him out as well. And so eventually, just throw out the entire new testament. Since when did ANY author of the new testament say ANYTHING against Paul after his conversion, or warn us not to listen to Paul?? Paul and Peter BOTH agreed that they didn't need to put the burden of all the law onto the new Christians, so throw out Peter as well. Since you will have no witnesses left of the Messiah, who disagree with Paul, who is the legitimate witnesses of Jesus?</span></p>
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<h3><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #0000ff;">DID GOD INTEND THE LAW BE ABROGATED AND REPLACED PRIOR TO A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH?</span></h3>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Blessings of Jesus,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Doug</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">PS In the Law given Moses, the Gentiles (sojourners / foreigners) who lived in Israel were only subject to certain parts of the Law. Certain commands specifically only applied to "Sons of Israel," like circumcision. See Lev. 12:1-3. I have an article on what laws in the Law apply to Gentiles. <a href="/topicindex/98-law-applicable-today.html">http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/topicindex/98-law-applicable-today.html</a><a href="/topicindex/98-law-applicable-today.html"></a></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">PPS Peter does not endorse Paul in 2d Peter, contrary to popular misconceptions. See our article <a href="/recommendedreading/57-second-peter-reference-to-paul.html">link</a>.</span></p>
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