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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Page 52</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">'I have studied that man, Saul of Tarsus, as I have never searched the life of any other man. It is a most absorbing subject.' [The Man Speaking]</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">'And you find that he is </span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Page 53</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">'The most complex character that I have investigated. Unreservedly I concede him to be, facile princeps, the Christian poet of the first century. Poet surely, and with all of the "divine madness" of the poet. The "divine" in a poetical sense. The "madness" we will consider in this analysis.' As he said this he laid a roll of manuscript on the study table.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">'Yet I beg that you will recognize that in this attempt to prove that Paul's mind was disordered, and also in that which I shall say to you here to the same effect,<em><strong> my only sentiment is pity for his sufferings—which are so apparent</strong></em>. Wherever I express contempt or indignation it is only nominally directed against him. My <strong><em>contempt is for those who have refused to recognize Paul's incapacity</em></strong> to develop a system of Christian theology; <em><strong>who have accepted his vagaries as divine truth</strong></em>, and have demanded their general acceptance. It is against these alone that I make my complaint. For<em><strong> I recognize in him an earnest seeker after righteousness</strong></em>. Nay, more; he <em><strong>highly attained to righteousness</strong></em>; for<strong><em> his innate revulsion to that which was unrighteous was an integral part of his nature</em></strong>. Yet he seems to me to have been saturated with an intense egotism that gave its color to his beliefs and utterances.'</span></p>
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