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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The <b>bolded</b> phrase here reads: </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size: 16pt;">?????????? ??????????</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span dir="LTR"></span>. Literally translated: “The sacrifice of the days.” Now, there is no daily sacrifice necessary for normal people. This refers to an annual sacrifice that was offered via pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Yet, the Hebrew word is the plural of <i>yom</i>. Here it clearly, once again, doesn’t refer to the daylight portion of the day.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">He states the following in his study (one of several similar quotes): “</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Then it happened. I found an astonishing quote that spurred me on to more research:<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">"<span style="text-decoration: underline;">The day was either the PERIOD OF SUNLIGHT, CONTRASTED WITH THE NIGHT (see John 11:9)</span> </span><em><b><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: maroon;">or the</span></span></b></em><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: maroon;"> </span><strong><i><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: maroon;">whole period of twenty four hours, ALTHOUGH NOT DEFINED AS SUCH IN THE BIBLE</span></span></i></strong><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">." ("Oxford Companion to the Bible", p. 744). I read it again and again. A 24 HOUR DAY IS NOT DEFINED IN THE BIBLE. This agreed with my study of the scriptures.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">”</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">He states with emphasis that “</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">A 24 HOUR DAY IS NOT DEFINED IN THE BIBLE</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">”. Given the scriptures I have presented above, that is a ludicrous conclusion. I have shown three clear examples where the Hebrew word <i>yom</i> contains both a day AND night period. Since the entire foundation of his study is dependent on his incorrect conclusion the rest basically falls apart.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><b><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">#2 – “TWELVE HOURS IN A DAY”</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">This is an extremely common argument, but really plays no significant role in the topic at all. No sunset-sunset Sabbath keeper I know would have any problem acknowledging that the scriptures use both <i>yom</i> and <i>hemera</i> to define the daylight portion of the day. But, there are also occurrence where it speaks of a full day, including the night portion:<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Matthew 16:21 – “From that time began Yeshua to show unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">day</span></b> be raised up.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">We know from various passages of scripture, such as Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, and John 20:1 that it was still dark when Yeshua had risen on the third “day”. In other words, the sun had not yet risen before he was raised. How can this be considered the third “day” if the daylight portion had not yet even started?!? He was raised when it was still technically the nighttime portion. Yet, Yeshua said he would be raised on the third <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">day</span></b>, not the third night.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Matthew 28:20 – “teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">always</span></b>, even unto the end of the world.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">“Always” in this verse is ????? ??? ?????? in the Greek, which is literally translated as “all the days.” So, would the author really say that Yeshua is only with us during the daylight portion of the day?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Luke 9:23 – “And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">daily</span></b>, and follow me.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The word <b>daily</b> is ?????? in the Greek, a form of <i>hemera</i>. Are we to only take up our cross and follow after Yeshua during daylight hours?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Hebrews 8:9 – “Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">day</span></b>that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Anyone who is familiar with the Passover story knows that the children of Israel were not brought out of Egypt during the daylight hours. They started their exodus at midnight. Yet, Yahweh himself says this is a “day”.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Arguing against his quotes from the commentator is irrelevant since the scriptures above clarify all by themselves that <i>hemera</i> isn’t limited to the 12 daylight hours.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">(SIDE NOTE: He says he is founding a lot of his studies in the scriptures, yet the weight of his arguments are brought from the opinions of various commentators. Since commentators historically have a tendency to disagree with one another on several fronts, this foundation is hardly strong)<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><b><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">#3 – THE SABBATH “DAY”</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The author makes a big deal about the word “day” being attached to the word “Sabbath” as if this is intended to specify something. To destroy the argument one only needs to present a passage(s) where the Sabbath is referred to without the “day” in it:<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Isaiah 56:6-7 – “Also the foreigners that join themselves to Yahweh, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, every one that keepeth <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b> from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Nehemiah 9:13-15 – “Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments, 14 and madest known unto them <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">thy holy Sabbath</span></b>, and commandedst them commandments, and statutes, and a law, by Moses thy servant, 15 and gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and commandedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Here we clearly see “the Sabbath” without the word day. Did Yahweh change his intent by “Sabbath” by removing the word “day,” making it more expansive? Or, is the interpretation consistent throughout – that the Sabbath “day” is a 24 hour period?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">But, perhaps the most stunningly clear example of the fullness of the Sabbath can be found in the post-exilic book of Nehemiah. Nehemiah, a leader appointed directly by Yahweh for the restoration of the religion and commonwealth of Israel, shows us exactly when the Sabbath begins.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Nehemiah 13:15-22 – “In those days saw I in Judah some men treading wine-presses on <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b>, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses <i>therewith</i>; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath day</span></b>: and I testified <i>against them</i> in the day wherein they sold victuals. 16 There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, who brought in fish, and all manner of wares, and sold on <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b> unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem. 17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, ‘What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath day</span></b>? 18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b>.’ 19 And it came to pass that, </span><b><i><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the Sabbath</span></span></i></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">, I commanded that the doors should be shut, and commanded that they should not be opened till after <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b>: and some of my servants set I over the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath day</span></b>. 20 So the merchants and sellers of all kind of wares lodged without Jerusalem once or twice. 21 Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath</span></b>. 22 And I commanded the Levites that they should purify themselves, and that they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Sabbath day</span></b>. Remember unto me, O my God, this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy lovingkindness.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">1)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The phrases “the Sabbath” and “the Sabbath Day” are equated to one another<span style="text-decoration: underline;">several</span> times, so we know they are speaking of the exact same period of time.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">2)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The <span style="text-decoration: underline;">start</span> of “the Sabbath” (i.e. “the Sabbath Day”) began just after darkness was coming upon the gates. This obviously occurs as the sun is setting, not rising.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">So, Nehemiah commanded the gates of Jerusalem be closed, to avoid profaning the Sabbath, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">before</span> the sun set! As darkness was coming upon the gates he ordered the servants that they should close them. Now, here are some other interesting things we can discern from this:<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">1)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">If engaging in “business as usual” activities was <span style="text-decoration: underline;">perfectly acceptable</span> to Yahweh until the sunrise on the 7<sup>th</sup> daylight portion of the week, why would Nehemiah be so convicted about closing the gates before sunset? He was relating their carrying of burdens in and out of the gates to profaning the Sabbath as their fathers did. If carrying these burdens, et al, was not wrong, why would he condemn it?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">2)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Following along with #1…if Nehemiah in fact ordered the gates closed <span style="text-decoration: underline;">in contradiction to Torah</span>, he would have succeeded in <span style="text-decoration: underline;">adding to the word of Yahweh</span> in direct violation of Dt. 4:2 and 12:32. In addition, this action would essentially have made Nehemiah the first “Pharisee” placing undo burdens upon the people.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Since I don’t believe that Nehemiah was leading the people astray, rather that he was restoring original worship to how it was intended at the first, I believe his command to close the gates near sunset immediately before the start of “the Sabbath” is a reflection of the original Torah command in action. Need we more proof?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><b><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">#4 – EVENING AND MORNING</span></span></b><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The author says: “</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">The third thing that God says is, "And the EVENING and the MORNING were the first DAY (LIGHT)." God has already told us that (1) LIGHT = DAY and that (2) DARKNESS = NIGHT. Does He all of a sudden, change His mind within this same verse to tell us that a day begins at EVENING? No. He is simply telling us that in His definition of a DAY, that He considers both EVENING AND MORNING LIGHT. "And the EVENING and the MORNING were the first DAY (LIGHT). You will note that NIGHT is NOT mentioned here at all, because NIGHT = DARKNESS and EVENING AND MORNING = LIGHT and are a part of the 12 HOUR DAY.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Once again this is overall a fruitless argument as it all depends on subjectivity. He, based on his conclusions, chooses to interpret “the first day” as the portion of the day that contains the “evening and morning.” I, however, choose to interpret “evening and morning” as a statement defining the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">order</span> of a 24-hour day (i.e. the evening comes first, then the day; then the subsequent evening period would begin the next day). Because of this, when I read “and there was evening and there was morning, the first day” I understand it as “there was evening (and its subsequent hours) and there was morning (and its subsequent hours till next evening), the first day”.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">This, like many things, is a matter of interpretation. Because the scriptures here are unclear in themselves they must be interpreted by what is clear. I have show said clearer scriptures above.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">1 Samuel 20 speaks of the time of a “new moon.” I have gone over what a scriptural “new moon” is in a previous email string to you. The new moon is the first visible crescent at sunset. Verses 5 and 18 would seem to imply that the word “tomorrow” can be used to refer to the beginning of the new moon (which would obviously start after sundown at the viewing of the moon). <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><sup style="vertical-align: top; font-size: 0.75em; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">5 </sup><span style="background-color: #ff0000;"><span color="#ffff66" style="color: #ffff66;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">God called</span><sup value="(<a href="#cen-NIV-5N" title="See cross-reference N">N</a>)" style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"></sup><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> the light “day,</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">” and the darkness he called “night.”</span><sup value="(<a href="#cen-NIV-5O" title="See cross-reference O">O</a>)" style="vertical-align: top; font-size: 0.65em; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"></sup><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> And there was evening, and there was morning</span><sup value="(<a href="#cen-NIV-5P" title="See cross-reference P">P</a>)" style="vertical-align: top; font-size: 0.65em; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"></sup><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">—the first day.</span></div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> You do agree it has that meaning, and most of the verses you cite use it both ways in the very same sentence! </div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> <span face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"> Please take a look at what he says, and then see if it is not a good explanation. I will excerpt a portion, although it does not do justice to his long explanation:</span></p>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; margin-left: 30px;"><strong style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"><em><span color="#800000" style="color: #800000;">When does this SABBATH/FAST BEGIN? In the NINTH day of the month at EVEN and it ends on the TENTH day at EVEN. In other words this Sabbath/Fast falls on 2 DIFFERENT DAYS. Why? Because a Sabbath is NOT LIMITED TO A SINGLE DAY....</span></em></strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Therefore the ANNUAL Sabbath of Leviticus 23:32 BEGINS AT THE TAIL END OF THE NINTH DAY AT EVEN, BECAUSE EVENING IS NOT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW DAY. And you will recall that the Evening is still the same day as the afternoon that comes before it. (Mark 4:35, John 20:19).</span><strong style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"><em><span color="#800000" style="color: #800000;"> </span></em></strong><a href="http://www.12hoursabbath.com/" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;"></a><a href="http://www.">http://www.</a><wbr />12hoursabbath.com/</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> Because you even agree that "day" has both the light meaning and 24 hour meaning in the Bible (besides an epoch meaning in Jeremiah, which that passage says, I believe - see post-script) and all your examples are where "day" is used in both senses in the same verse, it is a debatable point. One thing we are 100% sure of -- it AT LEAST means the daylight period. </div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> For myself, because our rest is to model on the Lord's rest, the key is Genesis <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%202&version=NIV" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;">2:2</a>:</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> So God rested on the seventh day. Do you believe (you might) that God had worked during the nights of the preceding 24 hour cycles? Perhaps, but it appears odd for God to work in the darkness when He is full of light. Hence, I assume God did not work in any of the darkness period of night that preceded the seventh day -- of daylight. When dawn broke on the Sabbath, God determined to rest from what would have been His pattern of toil as He had done on the prior six daylight periods. </span></div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">Thus, if God's behavior is our model, then I do think the way 2:2 is worded intends us to replicate the same resolve each Sabbath day (morning) and do not take up our normal work for those 12 daylight hours. </div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Fo I also think that such joy is more meaningful when the sun comes out than when the sun goes down. I know that would not overcome a clear Bible passage, but it is the kid in me that thinks of morning as Joyous, and not nightfall.</span></div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Literally translated: “</span>And Elohim called to the<i> </i>light, “day,” and to the<i> </i>darkness He called “night.” And it was evening and it was morning, day one.<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">” (Layman’s Literal Translation)<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jeremiah 17:19-27 – “Thus said Yahweh unto me: Go, and stand in <b>the gate of the children of the people</b>, whereby the kings of Judah come in, and by which they go out, and in <b>all the gates of Jerusalem</b>; 20 and say unto them, Hear ye the word of Yahweh, ye kings of Judah, and all Judah, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, that enter in by these gates: <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">21 Thus saith Yahweh, Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; 22 neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work: but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.</span></b> 23 But they hearkened not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, and might not receive instruction. 24 And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith Yahweh, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but to hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein; 25 then shall there enter in by the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and this city shall remain for ever. 26 And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places round about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the lowland, and from the hill-country, and from the South, bringing burnt-offerings, and sacrifices, and meal-offerings, and frankincense, and bringing <i>sacrifices of</i> thanksgiving, unto the house of Yahweh. <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden and enter in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched</span></b>.”<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Nehemiah 13:15-22 – “In those days saw I in Judah some men treading wine-presses on the Sabbath, and <b>bringing in sheaves, and lading asses <i>therewith</i>; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day</b>: and I testified <i>against them</i> in the day wherein they sold victuals. 16 There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, who brought in fish, and all manner of wares, and sold on the Sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem. 17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, ‘What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the Sabbath day? 18 <b><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?</span></b> [<i><span style="color: #1f497d;">which was prophesied by Jeremiah above, and fulfilled</span></i>] yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the Sabbath.’ 19 And it came to pass that, </span><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the Sabbath</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">, I commanded that the doors should be shut, and commanded that they should not be opened till after the Sabbath: and some of my servants set I over the gates, <b>that there should no burden be brought in on the Sabbath day</b>. 20 So the merchants and sellers of all kind of wares lodged without Jerusalem once or twice. 21 Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the Sabbath. 22 And I commanded the Levites that they should purify themselves, and that they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the Sabbath day. Remember unto me, O my God, this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy lovingkindness.”</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">1)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Yahweh, through Jeremiah the prophet, commanded that the children of Israel bear NO burden on the Sabbath “day”.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">2)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The penalty for profaning this Sabbath “day” was that the gates of Jerusalem would be burned and the palaces destroyed.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">3)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The people of Israel refused to repent and turn from their profaning of the Sabbath “day” and as a result Yahweh brought Nebuchadnezzar through to destroy them and bring them into exile in Babylon…time then passes…<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">4)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Nehemiah, the one chosen by Yahweh to restore Jerusalem and Israel to its proper scriptural order, led the children of Israel from captivity back to their land.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">5)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The people once again started to profane the Sabbath by carrying loads in and out of the gates.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">6)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Nehemiah references the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">exact same prophecy</span> given by Jeremiah to their fathers in the past, which caused the destruction of the gates and city in the first place.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">7)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">To prevent this <span style="text-decoration: underline;">exact same profaning</span> of the Sabbath, Nehemiah ordered the gates shut <span style="text-decoration: underline;">before sunset</span>, just before the Sabbath “day” was to begin.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">8)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">His ordering of the shutting of the gates <span style="text-decoration: underline;">before sunset</span> would be completely and totally pointless, not to mention <span style="text-decoration: underline;">an addition to the Torah</span> (in direct violation of it), if the Sabbath “day” didn’t begin immediately after that sunset.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Nehemiah’s direction wasn’t just one of over-protection or superstition. His fathers in the past committed the exact same sin of profaning the Sabbath. They profaned it by bearing burdens and bringing loads in and out of the gates on the Sabbath “day”, both the dark and light portions of the day. If profaning the Sabbath only meant bringing these loads in and out during the daylight period, Nehemiah would have ordered the gates shut just before <span style="text-decoration: underline;">sunrise</span>, not before sunset.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">PS – Another argument exists from logic…Why the HECK would anyone strive to argue to rest LESS?!?!? I mean, really? Do we really need/want to work that much that we have to argue for 12 hours more work time each week? I find it kind of comical </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: #1f497d;">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> MY NOTE / DOUG's NOTE ON THIS PS: This reference to it being simply "comical" to reject this underscores a defect in interpretation. Instead, we must put the Sabbath command back into its original context. It was a death penalty for a violator, and thus this is not a light-hearted issue as the words were intended originally to be read knowing the consequences were severe. See my article: "<a href="/recommendedreading/487-delicacy-of-construing-law-given-moses.html">Delicate Construction Required of Law Given Moses</a>."</span></p>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">But omitting 'evening to evening' in a sabbath command is not a test of one's faith - but leaves the matter one of construction. As God felt it OK to be clear in the Atonement Sabbath, why would He not be just as clear with the weekly Sabbath?</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">I do agree that my feelings about whether God was creating in the darkness being unpalatable is just my gut. However, in light of proper construction supporting the same view, I am reluctant to expand the command beyond the Gen. 1:5 version of 'day."</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">You are right that Gen 1:5 uses day one way but there are many verses where it has other meanings, and even a cycle of day and night. The command to stay away for a lepper "seven days" beginning at 'evening' does not tell us anything about the nature of 'days' -- it starts at the night before the first day is a proper interpretation. </div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">Jeremiah 17 has nothing about evening as part of the Sabbath day. You then say "compare" Nehemiah but I have two comments.</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">First, Nehemiah is not prophesying, and he supervised a lot of misconceptions by the people who took a vow to expel all foreigners from the land, misinterpreting the command about edomites to apply universally. Nehemiah is not a prophet in everything he does or says. He is the first example of <em><strong>misreading the life-actions of a prophet as themselves prophetic activity from God</strong></em>.</div>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">Second, Nehemiah's closing the doors as darkness fell before the Sabbath does not tell us that the night period is the "day" when rest began. But to guard against a violation in the coming morning -- day -- I would do the same thing. Yet, again, even if Nehemiah did this, Nehemiah is a very interesting case of a prophet whose actions with the people were highly detrimental spiritually to the Gentiles who under his supervision were entirely and in violation of the Law expelled. See my article<a href="/component/content/article/18-the-law-given-moses/464-sabbath-what-about-engaging-in-commerce.html" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;"> Sabbath - What About Doing Commerce With Neighbors Outside Our Spiritual Community</a>.</div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">Thus, I come back to Lev 23 as what strongly supports my interpretation. God knows how to use the term 'evening,' but does not use it with the weekly Sabbath command. That is when the 'even to even' of Lev 23 is actually help to construe the correct reading of the Sabbath command.</p>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"> As a hedge around the Law, arguable one can exhort rest on the night before the day period of Sabbath. But those hedges have to be identified to people as a hedge -- that we are teaching that to safeguard the day-rest period like Nehemiah did, let's begin our rest earlier so that not by accident we violate the Sabbath day rest required by God. </div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">You call them “hedges”, I call it “truth”. If they were indeed hedges, then you must admit that Nehemiah would be condemned by Yeshua if living in his day for being a Pharisaical ruler. Let’s not forget that Yeshua condemned the “addition” to the torah that the Pharisees did. They commanded certain things (i.e. the washing of hands) as though they were the commands of Yahweh. Nehemiah would be guilty of exact same thing, if not WORSE (the Sabbath is a greater command than hand washing).<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">If you can provide ANY historical data whereby the children of Israel observed a 12-hour Sabbath I would LOVE to see it, though I doubt it exists. A day is a day is a day. The example of the leper wasn’t when their “putting out” began, it is when it ended. It always ended at evening. A new day starts then, hence a fresh time of cleanliness.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">1)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Conducting business with anyone on Shabbat, regardless of whether it is in the assembly or without, causes YOU to work, which is a violation. It is irrelevant what it causes an outsider to do. If YOU are working, you are profaning the Sabbath.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<div style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;">Or would you say the word YOM in Genesis 1:5 says "day" is daylight? In Exodus 20:10, it never says rest on the "Sabbath," but says instead to<em><strong> rest on the "seventh yom"</strong></em> -- a "Sabbath to the Lord." Why would it be so precise? <a href="http://biblos.com/exodus/20-10.htm" target="_blank" style="color: #1155cc;"></a><a href="http://biblos.com/">http://biblos.com/</a><wbr />exodus/20-10.htm </div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Long story short…<i>yom</i> means more than just 12 hours in the daylight. I will observe the Sabbath as the prophets did and as Yahweh restored through Nehemiah, and as all recorded history we have in Yeshua’s day testifies to – from Friday around sunset through Saturday around sunset. I see no other option that aligns with Torah, the Prophets, Yeshua, History, and tradition (good tradition, not evil).<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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