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<p>Jesus's ministry included baptizing: "After this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them<strong><em> baptizing</em></strong>." (John <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:22&amp;version=KJV">3:22</a>.)</p>
<p>Is submission to baptism important? Could it be a requirement to be saved in John<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:5&amp;version=KJV"> 3:5</a>? I have assumed for a long time that because of the thief on the cross that baptism is quite optional. But I am beginning to think it has more importance than I have assumed for a long time.</p>
<p>In fact, I have been so saturated with Paulinist thinking for so long that even after becoming Jesus-centric, I still believed giving any importance to water baptism for salvation was simply crazy due to Pauline doctrine. However, someone recently challenged me on this, and so I studied more carefully the issue.</p>
<p>First, I realized that it is not as crazy an idea as it at first appears. Lutheranism for a long time has taught water baptism is essential for salvation, and thus  "baptism is<em><strong> ordinarily necessary for salvation</strong></em>." (<em>The Lutheran Encyclopedia</em> (Scribner 1899) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=93ErAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA40#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">40</a>.) Luther found a way to insist upon it despite Paul's faith alone gospel. Luther claimed Paul does not exclude baptism as a work for salvation because it is supposedly not our work, but God's work. Luther said: "Yes, it is true that our works are of no use for salvation. Baptism, however, is not our work but God's," and God's works have saving power and are "<em><strong>necessary for salvation</strong></em>." (Jack Cotrell , <em>Baptism: A Biblical Study</em> (1989) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cKIOWHSGN5oC&amp;lpg=PA140&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA140#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">140</a>; Luther, <em>The Larger Catechism</em> (2008) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=VyUfyLkgWrgC&amp;lpg=PA100&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA100#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">100</a>.)</p>
<p>Baptism in water would be important if Jesus means "baptism" by "water" in John<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3:5&amp;version=NIV"> 3:5</a> which says:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God<strong><em> unless he is born of water</em></strong> and the Spirit." (NIV)</p>
<p>I have long thought this meant "born of water" at child birth.</p>
<p>But could water baptism with repentance have been intended by Jesus to represent the new birth?</p>
<p>In other words, did the new birth mean in fact to initiate by water and spirit simultaneously effectuating such a change? Did it mean by "water" in fact "water" and hence baptism? Is this why "the fathers from Justin Martyr downwards and every liturgy of Christendom unhesitatingly apply <strong><em>these words [in John 3:5] to Baptism</em></strong>, without allusion to any alternative interpretation" (Sir William Smith,<em> A Dictionary of the Bible</em> (1893) at I: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=zM0UAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA347#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">347</a>)?</p>
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<h3>The Language of John 3:5 That Points To Water Baptism</h3>
<p>In John 3:5, the Greek is "ex" water and spirit. "Ex" means "from," in the sense of either "away" or "source." Here the source-sense is in view. (Jack Cotrell , <em>Baptism: A Biblical Study</em> (1989) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cKIOWHSGN5oC&amp;lpg=PA33&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA38#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">38</a>.) The conjunction of "water and spirit" with a<em><strong> single verb</strong></em> signify they "together form a <strong><em>single means</em></strong> of that regeneration which is a prerequisite for entrance into the kingdom of God...." (<em>Id.</em>)</p>
<p>However, there are many modern authorities who argue, based on John<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:6&amp;version=NIV"> 3:6</a>, that Jesus meant by <em>water</em> being born of the flesh, <em>i.e.</em>, natural birth. The next verse reads:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.</p>
<p>Hence, this contention claims a paralellism between "born of water" in 3:5 which supposedly parallels "birth to the flesh" in 3:6, just as "born of...the Spirit" in 3:5 parallels "birth to the spirit" in 3:6. But this conclusion relies upon assuming water in 3:5 equates to birth in the flesh in 3:6. There might not be a parallelism at all; verse 5 could mean that the new birth is by water and the spirit, and verse 6 could simply mean flesh gives birth to flesh and spirit to spirit. There may be no clear parallelism except by a presupposition that links "water" to "flesh."</p>
<p>Others claim that "water and spirit" mean simply the spirit. Calvin wrote: "By 'water and Spirit,' therefore I simply understand the Spirit, which is water." (Calvin, <em>Institutes</em> 4.16.25 - Vol. 3 at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=xBFqGDueBPMC&amp;lpg=PA404&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA404#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">404</a>.)</p>
<p>But this is silly, as it simply erases the word "water" without any justification. Jesus said the new birth was by "water," as distinct from the "spirit," as well as by the "spirit." Calvin simply affirms how he wishes the passage read, and does not give any rationale to erase the fact that two (not one) operative factors are involved: water and spirit.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Smith_(lexicographer)">Sir William Smith</a> (1813-1893) in<em> A Dictionary of the Bible</em> (1893) at I: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=zM0UAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA347#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">347</a> correctly responds to the view that "water" meant "spirit" as Calvin claimed:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">This not only <strong><em>contradicts the unanimous opinion of the Church</em></strong>, but does violence to the language of Holy Scripture. No one intending to convey the idea that the " <span class="gstxt_hlt">water</span>" was figurative would mention it before "the Spirit," and connect the two as parallel elements of birth. The being "born of <span class="gstxt_hlt">water </span>and the Spirit" is plainly <em><strong>one operation</strong></em>, wrought by two distinct, yet inseparable, means.</p>
<h3>Tradition of Apostles and Early Church</h3>
<p>Here is where tradition can help answer the question and help remove doubt. Research suggests that no theologian prior to 1600 ever believed "water" in John 3:5 meant natural child birth. Instead, the early apostles and church writers exclusively thought it meant baptism by water which was salvific when combined with repentance from sins:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202:38&amp;version=NIV">Acts 2:38</a> - Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Peter replied, "Repent and be <em><strong>baptized</strong></em>, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ<strong><em> for the forgiveness of your sins</em></strong>. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2022:16&amp;version=NIV">Acts 22:16</a> - Be baptized and wash away your sins.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be<strong><em> baptized and wash your sins away</em></strong>, calling on his name."</p>
<p>Peter in<a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/1%20Pet.%203.21#ref=1%20Pe%203%3A21%2Chi%3D1%20Pe%203%3A21-1%20Pe%203%3A21&amp;ver=NASB"> 1 Peter 3:21</a></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Corresponding to that, <strong><em>baptism now saves you</em></strong>—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a<span style="color: #517291;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span></span>good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[This demonstrates that water alone does not save you, but it must be conjoined with repentance -- an appeal to God in a good conscience. But Paulinists try to redefine baptism in this verse to mean essentially a change of heart analogous to faith (Hovey: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_u82AAAAMAAJ&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA421#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">421</a>). Yet, such a view is not exposition, but a reconstruction of passages to read as one prefers.]</p>
<p>Even Paul had a passage that supports baptismal regeneration when combined with a word of confession:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">(25) Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing<span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span> </span></span>her by the <strong><em>washing with water through</em><em> [Greek en] the word</em><em> [or command -the Greek 'remati.']</em></strong> (Eph. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%205:25-26&amp;version=NIV">5:25-26</a>.)</p>
<p>Watson Mils in <em>Acts and Pauline Writings</em> (Mercer University Press, 1997) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=95191jRdGMAC&amp;lpg=PA227&amp;ots=4r7d0tVPTo&amp;dq=remati%20greek&amp;pg=PA227#v=onepage&amp;q=remati%20greek&amp;f=false">227</a> says "literally, this <strong><em>serves as a text for baptismal regeneration</em></strong> ...<em>By the word</em> (NRSV), translates <em>en remati, </em>literally "in a word." This may imply a baptismal confession of the name of Christ (cf. 1 Cor. 6:11)...."</p>
<p>The early commentators all concurred that John 3:5's reference to "water" meant water baptism. Here are the key early quotes:</p>
<p><strong>Justin Martyr, ca. 165 AD</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"I shall now lay before you the manner of our dedicating ourselves to God through Christ on conversion. As many are therefore persuaded and believe that the things taught and said by us our true, and moreover take upon themselves to live accordingly, are taught to pray and ask God with fasting for forgiveness of their former sins, we praying together, and fasting for and with them, and then, <em>and not till then</em>, they are <strong><em>brought to a place of water</em></strong> and <em><strong>there regenerated after the same manner as ourselve</strong></em>s, for they are washed...for Christ has said: 'Unless you are <em><strong>born again</strong></em>, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven." [Quoting John 3:3, 5.]  (Justin, <em>First Apology<a href="http://www.archive.org/stream/firstapologyofju00just"> </a></em><a href="http://www.archive.org/stream/firstapologyofju00just">LXXIX</a> at page 73-74.)</p>
<p><strong>Irenaeus, 190 AD</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of <em><strong>the sacred water</strong></em> and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except<strong><em> a man be born again through water</em></strong> and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’" (<em>Fragment </em>34 [A.D. <strong>190</strong>]).</p>
<p class="section"><strong>Hippolytus, 217 AD</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"[P]erhaps someone will ask, ‘What does it conduce unto piety to be <strong><em>baptized</em></strong>?’ In the first place, that you may do what has seemed good to God; in the next place, being born again by water unto God so that you change your first birth, which was from concupiscence, and are able to attain salvation, which would otherwise be impossible. For thus the [prophet] has sworn to us: ‘Amen, I say to you, unless <strong><em>you are born again with living water</em></strong>, into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.’ Therefore, fly to the water, for this alone can extinguish the fire. He who will not come to the water still carries around with him the spirit of insanity for the sake of which he will not come to the living water for his own salvation" (<em>Homilies </em>11:26 [A.D. 217]).</p>
<p class="section"><strong>Basil the Great, 375 AD</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"This then is what it means to be ‘<strong>born again of water</strong> and Spirit’: Just as our dying is effected<strong><em> in the water</em></strong>, our living is wrought through the Spirit. In three<strong><em> immersions</em></strong> and an equal number of invocations the great mystery of <em><strong>baptism</strong></em> is completed in such a way that the type of death may be shown figuratively, and that by the handing on of divine knowledge the souls of the baptized may be illuminated. If, therefore, there is any grace in the water, it is not from the nature of <strong><em>water</em></strong>, but from the Spirit’s presence there" (<em>The Holy Spirit </em>15:35 [A.D. 375]).</p>
<p><strong>Abraham, 387 AD</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"The Church was redeemed at the price of Christ’s blood. Jew or Greek, it makes no difference; but if he has believed, he must circumcise himself from his sins so that he can be saved . . . for no one ascends into the kingdom of heaven except through the sacrament of baptism. . . . ‘Unless a man be<strong><em> born again of water</em></strong> and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God’" (<em>Abraham </em>2:11:79–84 [A.D. 387]).</p>
<h3><strong>"This Day I Have Begotten Thee" At A Water Baptism</strong></h3>
<p>Jesus's baptism may have been a type for us to follow, further demonstrating the point that water baptism is what regenerates us as children of God, <em>i.e.</em>, makes us born again.</p>
<p>First, Jesus's own baptism involved the conjunction of water and the descent of the Holy Spirit. (Matt. 3:16.) Thus, Jesus's reference to "water and spirit" in John 3:5 would naturally draw one's mind to the experience Jesus had. It would be what we would naturally think is the purpose of Jesus water-baptizing in John 3:22 -- mentioned just 17 verses after John 3:5.</p>
<p>Second, in the original version of the baptism account of Jesus by John the Baptist, it referred to as a new birth where the Father said to Jesus "<strong><em>this day I have begotten thee</em></strong>." (Jesus was born as the unique Son of God, so His baptism is not completely analogous to our own.)</p>
<p>The baptismal account of Jesus in Luke 3:22 originally and in Matthew had this account that the Father spoke from heaven to Jesus: "<strong><em>This day I have begotten you</em></strong>." (<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=MlPrYQ5srKEC&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;dq=did%20calvin%20murder%20servetus&amp;pg=PA528#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">Link</a>.)</p>
<p>The original baptism language of "<em><strong>this day I have begotten thee</strong></em>" is also quoted in the NT in Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5.</p>
<p>Moreover, this original version of Christ's baptismal account -- where the Father says "this day I have begotten thee" -- was quoted pre-325 AD also by Clement, Methodius, Lactantius, in the Acts of Peter and Paul, and by Origen and Justin. See our full discussion at this <a href="/Hebrew-Matthew/hebrew-matthew-baptismal-account.html">link</a>.</p>
<p>Epiphanius in the early 300s quotes the original version of Matthew in Hebrew as similarly saying:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; ">And as Jesus came up from the water, Heaven was opened, and He saw the Holy Spirit descend in the form of a dove and enter into Him. And a voice from Heaven said, ‘You are my beloved Son; with You I am well pleased.’ And again, ‘<strong><em>T</em></strong><em><strong>oday I have begotten You</strong></em>.’ “Immediately a great light shone around the place; and John, seeing it, said to Him, ‘Who are you, Lord? And again a voice from Heaven said, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.’ Then John, falling down before Him, said, ‘I beseech You, Lord, baptize me!’ But He forbade him saying, ‘Let it be so; for thus it is fitting that all things be fulfilled.’” (Epiphanius, <em>Panarion</em> 30.13.7, quoting the Hebrew Matthew.) [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentic_Gospel_of_Matthew">Wikipedia</a>]</p>
<p>It was only post 325 A.D. that the standard texts of Matthew and Luke were revised to omit "today I have begotten thee" from Jesus's baptism by John-the-Baptist. You will <strong><em>not</em></strong> find it any longer in the KJV, ASV, NIV, etc. This was because of the controversy with Arius in 306 A.D. who claimed the 'begotten' passages meant Jesus was not the "Eternal Son of God." However, the Roman Catholic church by 325 A.D. felt it was imperative to assert this about Jesus even though no verse in the NT ever calls Jesus the '<strong><em>eternal </em></strong>Son of God.' For background, see Wayne A. Grudem, <em>Systematic theology: an introduction to biblical doctrine</em> (Zondervan, 1994) at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=DA8xl4eagDcC&amp;lpg=PA243&amp;dq=arius%20col.%201%3A15&amp;pg=PA243#v=onepage&amp;q=arius%20col.%201:15&amp;f=false"> 243</a>. Hence, words from the original account were let slip in reproductions, to the point we do not any longer see them in our NT.</p>
<p>Hence, at Jesus's water baptism, God-the-Father gave Jesus a new birth as Son of God (a unique status), declaring from heaven "This day I have begotten thee." This was an example of how baptism would have similar effects on ourselves although obviously we would not become Divine as Jesus uniquely was indwelled by the Father/Word. (John <a href="http://bible.cc/john/1-1.htm">1:1</a>, <a href="http://bible.cc/john/14-10.htm">14:10</a>.)</p>
<h2>Typical Paulinist Disagreement That Baptism Is Needed</h2>
<p>Of course, Jesus said baptism was a work of righteousness (Matt. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%203:13-15&amp;version=NIV">3:13-15</a>). If one accepts Paul as valid, such an act of righteousness never could be necessary for salvation -- as Paul is generally interpreted. (Eph. 2:8-9.) Baptism might be a fruit of faith, but Paul would never tolerate it as a conditional requirement for salvation, so Paul is understood to say. For example, Paul speaks apparently specifically to that point in Titus:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Not by <strong><em>works of righteousness </em></strong>which we have done, but according to his mercy he <em><strong>saved us</strong></em>, by the <em><strong>washing of regeneration</strong></em>, and renewing of<strong><em> the Holy Ghost</em></strong>...Titus<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=titus%203:5&amp;version=NIV"> 3:5</a></p>
<p>Here Paulinists say Paul believes the only washing necessary for rebirth is of the Holy Spirit to save us. No act of righteousness can do so - an allusion to baptism which Jesus called an act of "righteousness" to John the Baptist when Jesus submitted to baptism (Matt: <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%203:13-15&amp;version=NIV">3:13-15</a>).</p>
<p>However, and very ironically, Hovey, a Pauline thinker, confesses Paul likely means in Titus 3:5 by "saved...by washing of regeneration" that we are saved by water baptism, as Paul's Greek actually means the' washing of the <strong><em>laver/water basin</em></strong> of regeneration.' But Hovey escapes that literal meaning by interpreting Paul to have meant that water baptism is figurative/symbolic, and not causative. Hovey: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_u82AAAAMAAJ&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA422#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">422</a>.</p>
<p>Putting aside whether Titus 3:5 is yet another verse proving the importance of water baptism, Walvoord claims any view that "born of water" in John 3:5 signifies baptism (as a concurrent means of the 'new birth) would contradict Paul and thus cannot be true:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">"[One view of 3:5 is] the water refers to baptism as an essential part of regeneration. This view <em><strong>contradicts other Bible verses</strong></em> that make it clear salvation is by<em><strong> faith alone</strong></em>....Eph. 2:8-9; Titus 3:5." (John F. Walvoord, Roy B. Zuck, <em>The Bible Knowledge Commentary: New Testament</em> (1983) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=DP4UiA4gQNMC&amp;lpg=PA281&amp;dq=john%203%3A5%20water&amp;pg=PA281#v=onepage&amp;q=john%203:5%20water&amp;f=false">281</a>.)</p>
<p>Hence, the standard refrain from modern Paulinists is that water baptism is a mere ceremony and is insignificant for salvation. For example:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But for now, the reason <strong><em>baptism is not necessary for salvation</em></strong> is because we are justified by faith (<a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Rom.%205.1" class="lbsBibleRef" target="_blank">Rom. 5:1</a>; <a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Eph.%202.8" class="lbsBibleRef" target="_blank">Eph. 2:8</a>), not by faith and a ceremony (<a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Rom.%204.1-11" class="lbsBibleRef" target="_blank">Rom. 4:1-11</a>).  You see, a religious ceremony is a set of activities or forms peformed by someone.  In the Bible circumcision was a ceremony where one person performed a religious rite on another person.  Likewise, baptism is also a ceremony where one person performs a religious rite on another person.  But, we are saved by faith alone and <strong><em>anything else we do, including ceremonies, will not help</em></strong>. <a href="http://www.carm.org/is-baptism-necessary-salvation">(Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry</a>.)</p>
<p>Even modern Baptists say baptism is not essential for salvation based upon Pauline principles:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">To apply <em>baptism</em> for<em>salvation</em>, therefore, is making a<strong><em> false saviou</em></strong><em><strong>r</strong></em> of the ordinance. (<em>The Baptist Manual</em> (1849) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-6sTAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=RA2-PA64#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">64</a>.)</p>
<p>Another Baptist publication stated in reliance on Pauline doctrine that baptism is not important for salvation:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[Scripture] cannot possibly imply that <span class="gstxt_hlt">baptism </span>is essential to <span class="gstxt_hlt">salvation. </span>Were this the case, then it would <span class="gstxt_hlt"><em><strong>not </strong></em></span><em><strong>always be necessarily true that faith is </strong></em><span class="gstxt_hlt"><em><strong>salvation</strong></em>. </span>Were this true, it would imply that <em><strong>an external </strong></em><span class="gstxt_hlt"><em><strong>work </strong></em></span><em><strong>performed by man is </strong></em><span class="gstxt_hlt"><em><strong>necessary </strong></em></span><em><strong>to </strong></em><span class="gstxt_hlt"><em><strong>salvation</strong></em>. (Alexander Carson, <em>Baptism in its mode and subjects</em> (American Baptist Publication Society, 1860) at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=bL0PAAAAIAAJ&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA477#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false"> 477</a>.)</span></p>
<p>But if Jesus means by "water" in John 3:5 the notion of baptism, then Jesus contradicts Paul (unless Titus 3:5 is in accord with Jesus). If so, an act of righteousness -- baptism -- does in part play a crucial role in salvation when baptism is physically possible for you to submit to.</p>
<h2>Luther Said Baptism Was Crucial</h2>
<p>Incidentally, as mentioned previously, Luther taught baptism was essential for salvation, and thus official Lutheranism still maintains that "baptism is<em><strong> ordinarily necessary for salvation</strong></em>." (<em>T</em><em>he Lutheran Encyclopedia</em> (Scribner 1899) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=93ErAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA40#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">40</a>.)</p>
<p>Luther himself said baptism is ordinarily "<em>necessary for salvation</em>." (Jack Cotrell ,<em> Baptism: A Biblical Study</em> (1989) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cKIOWHSGN5oC&amp;lpg=PA140&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA140#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">140</a>; Luther, <em>The Larger Catechism</em> (2008) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=VyUfyLkgWrgC&amp;lpg=PA100&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA100#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false">100</a>.)</p>
<h2>First Divergence from Luther</h2>
<p>The surprisingly universal consensus since inception of Christianity that baptism was essential to salvation (whether right or wrong) was first abandoned by Zwingli. This was the same pastor who removed every book from the New Testament but Paul's epistles and the book of Hebrews. (See our <a href="/JWO/bultmann-on-paul.html">link</a> on that issue.) Zwingli was an extreme Paulinist.</p>
<p>In 1523-1525 A.D. Zwingli "<strong><em>single-handedly created a new view of baptism</em></strong> that<strong><em> separated it from salvation</em></strong>." (William R. Baker, <em>Evangelicalism and the Stone-Campbell movement</em> (Intervarsity Press, 2002) Volume 1 at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=RRrPjijN7p4C&amp;lpg=PA84&amp;dq=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;pg=PA84#v=onepage&amp;q=baptism%20work%20not%20necessary%20for%20salvation&amp;f=false"> 84</a>.)</p>
<p>Now most modern Protestants agree with Zwingli (and not with Luther) that baptism is completely optional, and failure to be baptized has utterly no impact on your salvation.</p>
<h2>My Advice</h2>
<p>Because John the Baptist, Jesus and the early apostles baptized those coming forward in repentance, it appears to imply a duty to submit to this process by those who call on Jesus for salvation. If Jesus made it a requirement in John 3:5, then of course we must obey.</p>
<p>Can one be saved without baptism in water? It appears the thief on the cross had no baptism after his conversion, yet Jesus promises that day he will be in paradise with Jesus. This would imply sometimes salvation is not dependent on baptism. However, some who insist baptism is always necessary claim this example is inconclusive for one cannot be sure the thief was not previously baptized. (See this<a href="http://www.gospelway.com/salvation/thief_cross.php"> link</a>.)</p>
<p>However, I would conclude that if one comes to repentance and faith just before death, God has power to save anyway as obedience to baptism was not time-wise possible. However, if it is time-wise possible, we <strong><em>should</em></strong> submit to this command.<strong><em> Deliberate disobedience</em></strong> to baptism apparently would risk one's salvation.</p>
<h3>FURTHER READING</h3>
<p>In whose name were we supposed to Baptize? The name of the Lord Jesus. A very late addition to Matthew 28:19 purported to have Jesus endorse using three names. However, this was a false addition scribbled into the Bible at about the time of the Nicene Council in 325 A.D. For proof, see this <a href="/JWOS/baptism-in-whose-name.html">link</a>.</p>
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