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<h1>Vincent Arthur Holmes-Gore's Christ or Paul</h1>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Reverend Vincent Arthur Holmes-Gore was a serious Christian scholar besides a pastor. His writings include "The Thorn in the Flesh," <em>Theology</em> Vol. 32 (1936) 111ff.; "The Ascension of the Apocalyptic Hope. The Significance of Acts 1:6-8," <em>Theology</em> Vol. 32 (1936) 356ff.; "The Parable of the Tares," <em>Theology</em> Vol. 35 (1937); <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TIpbOQAACAAJ">These We Have Not Loved </a>(1941)(Christian-basis to vegetarianism); <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=l16wGAAACAAJ">The Human Soul</a> (1942, reprint 1989); <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KI9vAAAACAAJ">The Churches of St. Thomas and All Saints Lymington</a> (Gloucester: 1947); and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3_iVGAAACAAJ">"New Morals for Old: Being an Attempt to Restate and Defend the Christian Ideal of Marriage</a>," <em>Journal of Theological Studies</em> (1949) 1ff.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Rev. Holmes-Gore said in <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=FA4ZPAAACAAJ">Christ or Paul</a></em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=FA4ZPAAACAAJ"> : A Re-Examination of Paul's Influence on Christianity</a> (C.W. Daniel: 1946) that Paul has misled many:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;" class="Quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught.... For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to misrepresent his message.... That is what Paul and his followers did, and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed lamentably to redeem the world....The<strong><em> teachings given by the blessed Master Christ</em></strong>, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact were <em><strong>as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed to the darkness.</strong></em></span></p>
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<p class="Quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://www.truthseekers.co.za/content/view/88/45/">Truth Seekers</a> has another lengthy quote from <em>Christ or Paul</em>:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;" class="Quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"The triumph of Paul's Gospel is all the more remarkable in view of the Master's repeated warnings that false teachers would arise immediately after his 'going away'. Thus we read in Matthew: 'Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing. but inwardly are ravening wolves. By their fruits ye shall know them.... Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit...Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom, of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.'"</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"This<strong><em> warning fits Paul</em></strong>. who taught that entry into the kingdom of Heaven depends upon faith, <em>i.e</em>. by calling Jesus "Lord. Lord', and did not teach the pure way of life by which alone man can enter the kingdom. And if we apply to Paul the test 'by their fruits ye shall know them' it is<strong><em> abundantly clear that he was a false prophet.</em></strong> We have seen that it was he who founded the Pauline Church in spite of the true Apostles' opposition. It was he who formulated its doctrines...." </span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"The Christianity which the nations claim to follow is the religion of Paul who is admittedly the chief and almost the only theologian that the Church recognizes. Because of his<strong><em> betrayal of the Master's teachings</em></strong> the vision of true Christianity has been so dimmed that men have been able to defend war and a host of other evils, such as flesh eating and slavery, on the authority of the Bible. Had the teachings of the Master come down to us in their true form such misinterpretation would have been unthinkable." </span><br /><br /><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"We may well grieve that Christians have failed to give more heed to the Master's warnings against false prophets...."</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught.... The <strong><span style="color: #000000;" data-mce-mark="1">powers of evil</span></strong> which failed to defeat the Master's mission by bringing about the crucifixion, partly <em><strong>achieved their object by working through Paul and his friends to alter the teachings and give them a false interpretation</strong></em>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">The work <em>Christ or Paul</em> exists in only four libraries of the world, according to World Catalog. So it is properly to be viewed as a rare book. See <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/title/christ-or-paul-a-re-examination-of-pauls-influence-upon-christianity/oclc/314901884">World Catalog</a> link.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Apostle Matthew was himself a non-meat vegetarian (<em>i.e.</em>, obviously eating fish), as seen in the words of Clement of Alexandria: <em><strong>"Accordingly, the apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, and vegetables, without flesh"</strong></em> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria">The Instructor</a>). If we add to this the witness of Eusebius, who quotes Hegesippus and writes of James, the brother of Yeshua/Jesus, and first leader of the New Covenant Church: <em><strong>"He drank no wine or strong drink, nor did he eat meat."</strong></em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Holmes-Gore had this to say in <em>These we have not Loved</em> (The C.W. Daniel Company, Ltd., 1942) Preface, at pages <a href="http://clergyanimalrights.blogspot.com/">26, 30</a> in defense of vegetarianism:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">My ingredients for a healthy shake are in this <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/health-food0514-20">Amazon store</a> I collected.<a href="/topicindex/635-morning-shakes-for-health-a-weight-loss.html"> </a>My explanation of my breakfast and lunch shakes (that let me lose 50 lbs) is at this <a href="/topicindex/635-morning-shakes-for-health-a-weight-loss.html">link</a>.</span></p>
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