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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">So Paul in the same verse that he says Jesus is a created form -- the "firstborn of all creation" -- Paul says the "image" of God was Jesus. (For scholarly agreement, see our article "<a href="/books/104-flawedchristologyofpaul.html">Paul's Flawed Christology</a>.")</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Now what Jesus says does not turn into idolatry. He is speaking of the dwelling presence of God, and not that Jesus Himself was the "image" of God. Jesus' portrayed His actions as a reflection of the will of God, and not that His face / image was the face / image of God the Father.</span></p>
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