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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Clement, bishop of Rome, after the first day's debate by Peter with Simon Magus, is told by Peter why he will not eat with the people who were his supporters waiting after the debate to see him. Interestingly, it had to do with the issue of eating meat sacrificed to idols:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But Peter, most benignantly regarding me, lest haply that separation might cause me sorrow, says to me: “It is not from pride, O Clement, that I do not eat with those who have not yet been purified; but I fear lest perhaps I should injure myself, and do no good to them.<sup><a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html#fnf_vi.iii.iv.lxxi-p2.1" class="Note">671</a></sup><sup><a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html#fna_vi.iii.iv.lxxi-p2.1" class="Note NoteRef">671</a></sup> [Comp. book i. 19, vii. 29; Homilies I. 22, XIII. 4.—R.] For this I would have you know for certain, that every one who has at any time worshipped idols, and has adored those whom the pagans call gods, or has eaten of the things sacrificed to them, is not without an unclean spirit; for he has become a guest of demons, and has been partaker with that demon of which he has formed the image in his mind, either through fear or love.<sup><a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html#fnf_vi.iii.iv.lxxi-p3.1" class="Note">672</a></sup><sup><a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html#fna_vi.iii.iv.lxxi-p3.1" class="Note NoteRef">672</a></sup> . And by these means he is not free from an unclean spirit, and therefore needs the purification of baptism, that the unclean spirit may go out of him, which has made its abode in the inmost affections of his soul, and what is worse, gives no indication that it lurks within, for fear it should be exposed and expelled.” (<em>Recognitions<a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html"> </a></em><a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi.iii.iv.lxxi.html">LXXII.</a>) </span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Bad instruction...<strong>vain boasting</strong>, and other such evils have filled the whole house of this world, like some enormous smoke...<strong>preventing those who dwell in it from seeing its Founder aright.</strong>...What is fitting for those who are within, excepting with a cry brought forth from their inmost hearts to invoke His aid, who alone is not shut up in the smoke filled house, that He would ... open the door...so that the smoke may be dissipated...and the light of the sun...may be admitted. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This says we are living in a Bubble of Smoke, and we need the light to penetrate to see outside the bubble. So true! What follows this quote is Peter saying that Paul was the source of these errors, and Paul's visions deluded him. (This is discussed in Lawrence Goudge, How The Church Silenced Jesus's True Heirs (2012), Kindle, loc. 1%.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The <em>Recognititions of Clement</em> are recognized by scholars as written by the early Ebionites. The passage below tells of Paul interrupting a speech where James is leading leaders among the Jews to accept Jesus. Paul interrupts and throws James down, injuring him but not killing James. Now this passage went through the hands of later editors who added Trinity messages (<em>e.g.</em>, there is a reference to a baptism in the "three-fold blessedness," etc.) --- doctrines that arose in the 300s, but it is a likely source of historical information of the pre-Damascus Paul. We read in <em>Recognitions:</em></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"... the high priest of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem had often sent priests to ask us that we might discourse with one another concerning Jesus: when it seemed a fit opportunity, and it pleased all of our church, we accepted the invitation and went up to the temple. It was crowded with people who had come to listen, many Jews and many of our own brethren. First the high priest told people that they should listen patiently and quietly.... Then, he began exalting with many praises the rite of animal sacrifice for the remission of sins and found fault with the baptism given by our Jesus to replace animal sacrifice....</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"To him<em><strong> our James began to show, by abundant proof that Jesus is the Christ</strong></em>, and that in Him are fulfilled all the prophecies which related to His humble advent. For, James showed that two advents of Him are foretold: one in humiliation, which He has now accomplished; the other in glory, which is yet to be accomplished....</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"And when James had plainly taught the people concerning these things, he added this also, that <em><strong>unless a man be baptized in water, in the name of the threefold blessedness, as the True Prophet taught, he can neither receive remission of sins nor enter the kingdom of heaven</strong></em>: and he declared that this is the prescription of the unbegotten God.... And when James had spoken some more things about baptism, through seven successive days <em><strong>he persuaded all the people and even the high priest that they should hasten straightaway to receive baptism</strong></em>....</span><br /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"And when matters were at that point that they would all come and be baptized, [Paul] [changed by historical revision to "some one of our enemies"] and his men entered the temple: and [Paul] cried out: 'Oh men of Israel, why are you so easily influenced by these miserable men?' He began to excite the people and raise a tumult... and drive all into confusion with shouting, and to undo what had been done by James.<em><strong> [Paul] rebuked the priests for having listened to James, and, like a madman, began to excite the priests and people to murder James and the brethren, saying 'Do not hesitate; grab them and pull them to pieces.' [Paul] then, seizing a strong brand from the altar, set the example of smiting. Then others also, seeing him, joined in the beating</strong></em>. Much blood was shed. Although James and the brethren were more numerous and more powerful they rather suffered themselves to be killed by an inferior force, than to kill others. [Paul] [changed into "that enemy"] attacked James and threw him headlong from the top of the steps; and<em><strong> supposing him to be dead left him</strong></em>." </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The <em>Clementine Homolies</em> from the 200 AD period (in manuscripts from 300s) are also regarded by scholars as the preserved views of the early Ebionites -- which means "The Poor" in Hebrew. (Ebion = Poor in Hebrew.) I explain in Jesus Words Only they actually were the early church under James. Paul collected money for the POOR at Jerusalem, meaning the church which called itself the Poor. Here is an excerpt pertaining to whether eating idol meat is ok, which in Paul's epistles we are told three times it is permissible to eat the same:</span></p>
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