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<h1><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">EMAIL November 28, 2012</span></strong></span></h1>
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<h2><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="color: #800080;">What Is The New Testament Inspired Canon?</span></strong></span></h2>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">I haven't read yet your book but I would like to ask a simple question. Do you believe that the 4 Gospels are the only inspired books in the New Testament? If that is the case, what about the other books not written by Paul, like the book of Acts; 1 & 2 Timothy; James, Revelation, etc.? Are they therefore inspired since they were not written by Paul?</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hope you could enlighten me on this question. Many thanks.</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hi Angelo </span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">NT Inspiration means a prophet such as Jesus or an apostle quoting Jesus because Jesus said the Spirit would bring His words back to the memory of the 12. This status is true only of Matthew and John's Gospel, and the book of Revelation. Thus, to me, those 3 books are inspired.</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Mark was written by a friend of Paul's -- and later an inaccurate mythology tried linking this to Peter. See <a href="/Hebrew-Matthew/marcan-priority-claim-is-invalid.html" target="_blank">Marcan Priority Claim</a>.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, the Gospel of Mark has no apostolic credentials. Yet, it is valuable as an historical corroboration of Matthew and Luke.<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Luke is a special case where the evidence suggests he was trying to preserve the Original Gospel of Matthew (OGM) written in Hebrew, which was the first gospel. The OGM was honored as a fifth gospel for the first 400 years of Christianity. See <a href="/Hebrew-Matthew/original-gospel-of-matthew-in-hebrew.html" target="_blank">Original Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew</a>. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Thus, Luke is historical evidence of an inspired book -- the OGM -- which for reasons of doctrine was let slip out of memory, and into oblivion. From the OGM, 49 quotes were preserved in quotes dating 96 AD to 425 AD, which Mr. Rives incorporates into our present Greek-translation based Matthew. You can read the final product at <a href="/Hebrew-Matthew/original-gospel-of-matthewreconstructed.html" target="_blank">Original Gospel of Matthew Reconstructed</a>. (The first 2 volumes are scholarly reviews of all the variants, their sources, issues over validity, etc.) Thus, when you see Hebraisms in Luke, such as sentences beginning with "And," Edwards recently explained that this means it came from the OGM in Hebrew.<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Neither Peter nor John ever claim they write their letters under inspiration. Their intent is to edify. In the Law, a work could not be recognized as prophetic unless the prophet says the Lord "burdened" him with a message / he spoke for Yahweh, etc,, or in Moses' case, God spoke from heaven in the hearing of the people that recognized Moses as His agent. (Jesus too had this at his baptism and transfiguration.)<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">James is the first bishop of the church, and Jude was the second. Both are siblings of Jesus. Neither claims inspiration, nor that they are prophets, nor that they are apostles. Hence, they are edifying.<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Epistle to the Hebrews was written by Barnabas, according to Tertullian writing in 205 AD. (See <a href="/topicindex/272-authorship-of-hebrews.html">link</a>.) Hence, it lacks any prophetic or apostolic credentials.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">That said, this does not mean we exclude any of these secondary authorities from the Bible. (Paul is a special case.)<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Why? Because in the assembly of the OT, there was a tier of authority in the Bible -- with the Law / Torah in #1 position, then the Prophets in level #2 (who were measured by consistency with Torah), and finally the</span> <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Writings / Scripture section. See <a href="/topicindex/193-carlstadt-research.html">Carlstadt Research</a>. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">But Paul is something one has to consider differently for a specific reason. Jesus told us not to follow false Christs who come using Jesus' name who appear in the wilderness where not every eye saw him. Jesus specifically says this is how you will know this is not the true Jesus. Our Lord Jesus instructs us "do not follow them." (Matt 24:4-5, 24-27.) I believe if Christians prayed and asked God what to do, that if we realize now that the "Jesus" Paul thought was Jesus could not possibly be the true Jesus by the criteria Jesus gave in Matt 24 (see our discussion <a href="/topicindex/292-jesus-prophecy-about-who-identified-himself-as-jesus-to-paul.html">link</a>), then we should likely excise and remove Paul's epistles, even though there are many edifying things in those epistles.<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">I hope that helps.<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Blessings,<br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Doug </span></span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Two Tiers Within the Book of Revelation (added 2017) </span></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Steven recently challenged me about the book of Revelation. His comments made me take a second look at Revelation. It appears more accurate to say this book has two distinct tiers of authority based upon what God explains in Numbers 12. That passage says visions by prophets are less authoritative than first-tier communication by Moses with God Almighty. I believe that Deut 18:17-18 extends at least an equal and arguably superior authority to The Prophet prophesied by Moses in that passage. The Prophet was Jesus.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, when we look at Revelation, we see first the angel physically appears to John, and then speaks the words of Jesus. Jesus' words are first tier -- on par at least with Moses (or higher if Deut 18:8-9 means that as we contend in <a href="/topicindex/532-the-jesus-words-only-principle-explained.html">JWO Principle Explained</a>). </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Otherwise, before John is raptured into heaven, he also sees a vision of Jesus, and then in heaven has a series of visions as well. This would be the second tier authority, as God explained in Numbers 12. We are not to put the same emphasis on second tier; it can never be manipulated or twisted to change the meaning of first tier.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, if we use the rule from Numbers 12 that true prophetic visions alone are not on the same level as Moses (and likewise Jesus when we apply Deut 18:17-18), then we would say the "visions" by John and the words spoken there are to be regarded as enigmas and unclear. God in Numbers 12 tells us not to use such enigmatic revelations to trump the clear words of Moses and derivatively I would say likewise about Jesus' words by virtue of Deut 18:17-18. I don't see any problems directly anywhere in the vision accounts in Revelation. But if they contradict the words of Jesus, or are amenable to a conflict, we must treat them as second tier and not of equal weight in reaching doctrinal conclusions.</span></span></p>
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