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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Below the reader will find many scholarly reference sources. Each of these materials can be found via computer by going to books.google.com. Thus, nothing here is inaccessible or beyond your ability to verify.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Christmas is the worship of Jesus. Worshipping Jesus as King Messiah is never wrong. (Dan. 7:13, Son of Man comes with glory (of God) and will be worshipped.) There is no suggestion by any critic of Christmas that we should ever lose remembering the work of Christ on our behalf. To describe the criticism of Christmas celebrations as about whether to worship Christ on special days is a red herring. It is a non-issue.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Rather, the issue is whether the<strong><em> manner </em></strong>in which Jesus is worshipped in the West, with the traditions of gift-giving, wreaths, Santa stories and dolls, ornaments, and trees (whether all or just a few of these traditions are practiced), in the season of celebratory days leading up to and culminating with December 25th is wrong.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the Bible, God gives us an example where a<em><strong> proper worship to God goes awry</strong></em> by <strong><em>adding other imageries or symbolisms</em></strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">When Moses was up on the Mountain with God, Aaron, the High Priest, led a Yahweh-worship that used a golden image of a calf during the service. (Exodus 32:4.) However, the audience without Aaron’s prompting responded by thanking the calf for delivering them from Egypt along with thanking Yahweh. “And he received it at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made it a molten calf: and they said, These are thy gods, O Israel, which<strong><em> brought thee up out of the land of Egypt</em></strong>.” (Id.) God was furious.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">You shall not make for yourself <em><strong>a graven image, or any </strong></em><em><strong>likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under </strong></em><em><strong>the earth</strong></em>; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God. (See Exodus 19:23 ff; Deut. 5:2 ff.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the Eastern Orthodox church, Jesus’ birth is celebrated on January 6th along with a celebration of Jesus’ baptism. It is called Epiphany. It has<em><strong> none of the common items seen in the Western Christian world’s practice of celebrating Jesus</strong></em> in the December month: trees, wreaths, ornaments, reindeer, Santa Claus dolls, etc. In fact the issue of Jesus’ birth is minor in the Orthodox celebration in comparison with Jesus’ <strong><em>baptism</em></strong> which is the emphasis of the celebration.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the birth of our children, and thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess. (Josephus (translated W. Whiston) <em>Against Apion</em>, Book II, Chapter 26, in Josephus, <em>Complete Works</em> (Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids (MI), 14th printing, 1977) at 632.)</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Other notable traditions in relation to Christmas have also been derived from Germanic<strong><em> pagan practices</em></strong>, including the Yule log, Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through the sky, and surviving elements of Pre-Christian Alpine traditions.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Later Catholic writers claimed the church’s selecting December 25th in 354 A.D. to celebrate Christ’s birthday effectively replaced the celebration of the birthday of the Sun-god.<sup>20</sup> Some then conclude this was precisely the Church’s plan — it chose Baal’s birthday to be replaced by Christ’s birthday so as to supplant it. For example, the World Book Encyclopedia says:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Christmas...In 354 A.D., Bishop Liberius of Rome ordered the people to celebrate on December 25. He probably chose this date because the people of Rome already observed it..., celebrating the birthday of the sun [god].<sup>21</sup></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">20.Clement A. Miles, <em>Christmas in Ritual and Tradition</em> (1912) at 25 (citing same).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">21. E.H. Sechrist, “Christmas,” <em>World Book Encyclopedia</em> (Field Enterprises Educational Corporation, Chicago, 1966) Vol. 3 at 408-417.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">“Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church.... There is no month in the year to which respectable authorities have not ascribed Christ’s birth.... At Rome, then, the Nativity was celebrated on 25 December [not] before 354; in the East, at Constantinople, not before 379.... The well-known solar feast, however, of Natalis Invictis, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date.... The earliest rapprochement of the births of Christ and the Sun is in Cyprian (De pasch. comp. xix): ‘O, how wonderfully acted Providence that <strong><em>on that day on which the Sun was born... Christ should be born</em></strong>.’ In the fourth century Chrysostom (De Solst. et AEquin., II, p. 118) says: ‘But our Lord too is born in the month of December (25).... But they call it the “Birthday of the Unconquered.” Who is so unconquered as our Lord? Or, if they say that<strong><em> it is the birthday of the Sun, He is the Sun of Justice</em></strong>.’...The abundance of midwinter festivals may have helped the choice of the December date, the same instinct which set Natalis Invictis at the winter solstice will have sufficed, apart from deliberate adaptation or curious calculation, to set the Christians feast there too.” (Cath. Encyclopedia (N.Y.: 1913) Vol. III, at 724-727). [Same in "Christmas," <em>Catholic Encyclopedia </em>(1908) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=IEsfAQAAMAAJ&dq=The%20well-known%20solar%20feast%2C%20however%2C%20of%20Natalis%20Invictus%2C%20celebrated%20on%2025%20December%2C%20has%20a%20strong%20claim%20on%20the%20responsibility%20for%20our%20December%20date....&pg=PA727#v=onepage&q=The%20well-known%20solar%20feast,%20however,%20of%20Natalis%20Invictus,%20celebrated%20on%2025%20December,%20has%20a%20strong%20claim%20on%20the%20responsibility%20for%20our%20December%20date....&f=false">727 Col. 1, 10 lines down</a>.]</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, more recent scholarship shows that the Emperor of Rome -- <em><strong>Con</strong></em><em><strong>stantine -- had a warped Christian outlook . </strong></em> He viewed Jesus as identical to Sol Invictus. See “Constantine Continues Sun-god (Baal) Worship” on below.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, this connection to Sol Invictus has proven embarrassing. To guard Roman Catholicism from the attack that it is simply a pagan religion in Christian garb, the recent pope, Joseph Ratzinger, recently denied the Sol Invictus association yet with weak reasoning.<sup>24 </sup></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">24. The recent Roman pope, Joseph Ratzinger, challenged the idea Jesus’ birth was selected as December 25th because this was the birthday of Sol Invictus. He claims December 25th merely represents nine months from March 25th — the Feast of Annunciation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus.) However, this nine month figure is arbitrary, and does not help refute the fact Jesus’ birthday was chosen because it matched that of Sol Invictus.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Early Admonishment To Not Participate In Any Aspect of Pagan Holiday Behaviors (ca. 205 A.D.)</strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Tertullian was a leading voice of the early Christian church. He tried to warn that the majority of Christians had succumbed to the practices of gift giving at Saturnalia and New Year’s, and Christians were participating in the general merriment that marked the pagan holidays. Writing in about 205 A.D., he admonished Christians to not copy such behavior of the pagans. He did not merely insist they stop frequenting the festivals. Tertullian wrote about the year end festivals in these strong admonishing terms:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But, however, the majority (of Christians) have by this time induced the belief in their mind that it is pardonable if at any time they do what the heathen do, for fear “the Name be blasphemed”...To live with heathens is lawful, to die with them is not. Let us live with all; let us be glad with them, out of community of nature, not of superstition. We are peers in soul, not in discipline fellow-possessors of the world, not of error. But if we have <strong><em>no right of communion in matters of this kind with strangers</em></strong>, how far more wicked to <em><strong>cele</strong></em><em><strong>brate them among brethren</strong></em><em><strong>! Who can maintain or defend this</strong></em>?...By us,...the Saturnalia and New-year’s and Midwinter’s festivals and Matronalia <strong><em>are fre</em></strong><strong><em>quented — </em></strong><strong><em>presents come and go</em></strong> — New-year’s gifts — games join their noise — banquets join their din! Oh better fidelity of the nations to their own sect, which claims no solemnity of the Christians for itself!...Not the Lord’s day, not Pentecost, even it they had known them,<em><strong> would they have shared with us; for they would fear lest they should seem to be Christians. We are not </strong></em><em><strong>apprehensive lest we seem to be heathens! </strong></em>(Tertullian, <em>On Idolatry</em>, Chapter XIV (translated by S. Thelwall) excerpted in<em> Ante-Nicene Fathers </em>(edited by Alexander Roberts and James Donald-son)(American Edition, 1885) Vol. 3.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Under Constantine the Great (274-337 A.D.), this worship of the Sun-god (Baal) continued. “Constantine was a monotheist who revered the Sun, like his forebears before him in their Sun-worshipping Balkans” and “Constantine the Great began” in 309 A.D. “his vast homogenous series of coinages inscribed SOLI INVICTO COMITI....” (Michael Grant, <em>The Collapse and Recovery of the Roman Empire </em>(London: Routledge, 1999) at 51.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the ancient religion of Egypt, they worshipped a goddess known as Isis. The myth of Isis was that by her power Osiris, her sister, was resurrected. Isis was also the “consort of...Hathor at the Festival of Reunion.”<sup>110</sup> Every March 25th, her statue would be carried into a temple to meet a male deity-statue as part of a mating ritual. This was to celebrate the renewal of life.<sup>111</sup> As a result of this annual reunion, the god of all gods — the <em><strong>Sun (Sol Invictus)</strong></em> — would be born nine months later — on December 25th. As a result, Isis was also known as the “<em><strong>Queen of Heaven</strong></em>” and “Mother of God.” Also, her celestial sign was in the celestial Virgo. She was like a new virgin each year who would encounter Hatho and then give rebirth to the Sun-god — the chief god. The reason that Sol Invictus, her son, had his birth celebrated on December 25th was that this date was precisely nine months after the symbolic male-female reunion on March 25th.<sup>112</sup></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Richard Reeves, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI88VuvQOBE&feature=related">Pagan Holidays Celebrated by False Christians</a> - youtube -- explains Christmas was illegal in England in the 1600s, so too in New England in mid-1600s, etc. Quick 3 minute video.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_C._Meredith">Roderick Meredith</a> (<a href="http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/">tomorrowsworld.org</a>), <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGQRiA_ZEg&feature=related">Pagan Holidays or God's Holy Days</a> -- you tube -- claims Christmas is out of paganism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For the opposing view, see Andrew McGowan "<a href="http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/christmas.asp">How December 25 Became Christmas</a>," <em>Bible Archeology Review. </em>The main flaw is this does not study carefully the cult of Sol Invictus, or reviews how the decrees making December 25th a Christian observation came about. The article also ignores the concession by Roman Catholicism of its position that it transferred this pagan day to Christ's birthday. McGowan instead casts historical doubt on all the facts that support these points (for all history that far back has always a room for doubt). The author, however, then essentially is trying to leave <em>unknown</em> how December 25th was picked. In the end, McGowan offers speculation that December 25th was picked because it is 9 months after March 25th, and that Jesus supposedly was executed on March 25th. So someone was thinking to pick a gestation of 9 months after March 25th to select as Jesus' birthday. That makes no sense.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">What makes better sense is in the cult of Isis / Eostre, her son, Sol Invictus is conceived March 25th, and 9 months later is December 25th when the Sun begins its solstice rebirth each year. McGowan, of course, does not give that more sensible explanation. Furthermore, McGowan's premise that Jesus was crucified on March 25th is flawed. At least the evidence he cites, he must have misread or miscalculated. McGown cites March 25th from Tertullian's <em>Against the Jews</em> from the 200s as the date of the crucifixion. However, Tertullian's words prove Jesus' crucifixion was on March 24th, not the 25th. This work reads: “[the crucifixion was] in the month of March, at the times of the passover, <em><strong>on the 8th day before the calends of April</strong></em>, on the first day of unleavened bread, at which they slew the lamb at even.” (<em>Answer to the Jews</em> (Trans. Rev. S. Thelwal) at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=OqU2_18eYz8C&lpg=PA271&dq=Tertullianus%20against%20the%20jews&pg=PA288#v=onepage&q&f=false">288</a>.) Eight days prior to April 1st is March 24th, not March 25th. Hence, McGowan's supposition that Christmas was December 25th as 9 months after March 25th as the supposed crucifixion date does not match the facts.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">McGowan's 2015 Update. This article was improved in December 2015. See this <a href="http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/how-december-25-became-christmas/">link</a>. He added these very murky claims to give any historical basis that preceded Constantine's influence:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The December 25 feast <em><strong>seems</strong></em> to have existed before 312—before Constantine and his conversion, at least. As we have seen, the Donatist Christians in North Africa <em><strong>seem</strong> </em>to have known it from before that time. Furthermore, in the mid- to late fourth century, church leaders in the eastern Empire concerned themselves <em><strong>not with introducing a celebration of Jesus’ birthday</strong></em>, but with the addition of the December date to their traditional celebration on January 6. FN7<br data-mce-bogus="1" /></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So there are 2 "seeming" statements. Then there is a statement of the eastern church in the mid-300s -- after Constantine's influence could arise -- to add the "December date" to the celebration of January 6, but not representing Jesus' birthday. This is extraordinarily vague. Here is footnote 7:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/how-december-25-became-christmas/#note07r" id="note07" style="color: #046380; line-height: 22.5px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Georgia, serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">7.</a><span style="color: #000000; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.5px;"> For example, Gregory of Nazianzen, Oratio 38; John Chrysostom, </span><em style="line-height: 22.5px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #000000; font-family: Georgia, serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">In Diem Natalem</em><span style="color: #000000; font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.5px;">.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So let's test McGowan's murky statements. Let's look at Gregory of Nazianzen, Oratio 38 -- which in the modern era is one click away -- here it is -- <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310238.htm">http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310238.htm</a></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This oration of 380 AD approximately says nothing about celebration on December 25th to be something other than Jesus' birth, such as Jesus' baptism. There is question among scholars whether this celebration of Jesus in the oration was about (a) Jesus' birth or (b) the baptism of Jesus where Jesus was born in the Spirit (as preached in the East), and whether this was an oration on December 25th or January 6th (where the latter was to celebrate Jesus' baptism). Thus, it is utterly inconclusive on what it is specifically talking about, and what date it was given. Whatever it say, it still is no evidence of how December 25th came to be chosen to celebrate Jesus' birth that did not have to do with the pagan worship of Sol Invictus on that date.</span></span></p>
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