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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997602"></a>If we think we are raptured prior to the tribulation--a terrible time of woe--then we might rely upon that and not prepare our minds to endure the kind of woes which God describes taking place during the tribulation. This Christian-first rapture theory can pose a problem because Jesus warned us repeatedly to be strong and endure the tribulation as His followers. (See details below.) However, we have adopted the view that we are not even here. As a result, the repeated warnings from Christ are (a) diluted and (b) undermined. Hence, a Christians-first rapture theory <strong><em>can be harmful to preparing for the tribulation because it undermines Jesus's words to be ready and prepared for it</em></strong>.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997615"></a>We shall see that Paul incorrectly understood a rapture of Christians when Jesus and the Bible only had one group in mind for the rapture: <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">the evildoers who are removed from the Earth when the Son of Man comes</span> </strong>to conquer the Earth and brings to a close the tribulation. The righteous inherit the earth rather than are plucked out of it before the tribulation. Paul misundestood this, and misapplied (a) the timing and (b) who is raptured.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a name="pgfId=997469"></a><span data-mce-mark="1">Prior to the 300s, none of the early church leaders ever repeated Paul's theory of a rapture of Christians. Paul's Christian-rapture view never was mentioned as part of any end-time anticipation by anyone between 100-373 A.D. Not once! The early church believed in what can be termed in today's terminology a<strong><em> non</em></strong>-Christian rapture premillenialism. As Michael Vlach points out: "The earliest Christians looked for three things: (1) the return of Jesus Christ; (2) a cataclysmic end to the present age; and (3) a bodily resurrection [from the dead]." (Michael J. Vlach, <em>Eschatology in Church History</em> (2003), printed at <a href="http://www.theologicalstudies.org/page/page/1572935.htm">http://www.theologicalstudies.org/page/page/1572935.htm</a> (last accessed in 2005).</span></span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997620"></a>No rapture away from earth of Christians at Christ's coming was anticipated. Vlach continues: "The one thousand year reign of Christ mentioned in Revelation 20:1-6 was viewed eschatologically and futuristically." Vlach points out that among the premillennialists in the early church were Papias (60-130), Irenaeus (130-200), Justin Martyr (100-165), and Tertullian (160-225).</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1">However, in the late 300s, the first mention is ever made that Paul taught an initial rapture of Christians. The writer was Ephraem the Syrian. He is the only ancient source to cite Paul's passage to argue for such a rapture. His writing dates to 373 A.D. Up to that time, no one formulated any end time view based on Paul's teaching that Christians will be raptured into heaven away from earth at the Second Coming of Christ.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997636"></a>Ephraem the Syrian's commentary on <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess.%204:17&version=KJV">1 Thess. 4:15-17</a> from 373 A.D. was recently translated. It is entitled<em> On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World</em>. He states: "All the saints and elect of God are gathered together <strong><em>before the tribulation</em></strong>, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that <strong><em>they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins</em></strong>."</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997365"></a>How stark were the differences between Paul and the Book of Revelation? There is no way to insert a rapture of Christians into the non-rapture premillenial view set forth in the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation clearly teaches there is<strong><em> no rapture of Christians preceding in any way the Second Coming of Christ</em></strong>. Yet, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess.%204:17&version=KJV">1 Thess. 4:17</a> does. Some Paulinists recognize the conflict.</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1">To save Paul, some try to dismiss the importance of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess.%204:17&version=KJV">1 Thess. 4:17</a>. While they admit 50 verses in the Bible say there is a rapture first of evildoers--not Christians, they try to save Paul by insisting as to <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess.%204:17&version=KJV">1 Thess. 4:17</a>, "We should not establish doctrine on one single scripture." (H. Speed Wilson,<em> Rapture: Prophecy or Heresy?</em> (1989), a paperback book, and a shortened version is available online at this <a href="http://www.preteristarchive.com/dEmEnTiA/1989_wilson_10k-challenge.html">link</a> (last accessed in 2010).)<a name=";pgfId=997653"></a></span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997661"></a>They go on to spin Paul in implausible ways to be talking entirely in spiritual language. Paul supposedly was not speaking of a physical real rapture. However, Paul is far too clear to permit such a solution. In the next section, we will prove precisely the Bible's clearly inspired books contradict Paul on the rapture.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1">Some argue for a secret rapture of Christians at Christ's Second of what represents three total returns. (Wayne Jackson debunks that idea in light of Jesus' words. See <a href="https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1577-what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-rapture">link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1">In contrast to Paul, Revelation's end-time teaching did not permit any opportunity for a rapture of Christians before or after Jesus' Second Coming. Paul is the sole source of the idea that Christians are raptured when Jesus Christ returns. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess.%204:17&version=KJV">1 Thess. 4:17.</a>)</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997386"></a><a name="38657"></a>It appears Paul misunderstood the twelve apostles' teaching about the rapture of evildoers when Christ returns. Paul must have thought the apostles were talking about a rapture of Christians.<strong><em> Paul's idea of a rapture of Christians that leaves evildoers behind cannot fit into any scenario Jesus gave or which Revelation states</em></strong>. This is why we have all the conflicting versions of the rapture of Christians: pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, premillennial and post-millenial. Every solution to Paul's contradiction with Revelation has its rebuttal. These mutually repugnant theories are the direct result of trying to fit a square peg (Paul) into a round hole (inspired canon).</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997387"></a>This may sound provocative until one makes an effort to clear their mind of the incessant Paul-inspired lessons we experience, such as from the film series<em> Left Behind</em>. The notion of a rapture of Christians has taken on a life of its own. However,<strong><em> if you read Jesus in Matthew and Revelation alone, you find the one and only rapture.</em></strong> It leaves Christians behind to inherit the earth. This is because Jesus and Revelation <span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong>only speak of a rapture of evildoers</strong></span>.</span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997388"></a>Jesus twice and Revelation once says that when Jesus returns the evil are raptured out of the earth first, leaving behind the Christians. First, in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024:37-42&version=KJV">Matthew 24:37-42</a>, Jesus taught when He comes, it will be <strong><em>like in the days of Noah</em></strong> when the "flood came and <em><strong>took them</strong></em> [<em>i.e.</em>, evildoers]<em><strong> all away</strong></em>." It is in that context Jesus says one will be taken and another left. The verb taken regarding the person at the mill is the same word as in the flood...<em><strong>took them all away</strong></em>. Just as the flood took all the evildoers away first, so will the evildoers be plucked out of the earth first and taken away at the Second Coming. Thus, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024:37-42&version=KJV">Matthew 24:37-42</a> intends the reader to understand by a paralellism that the true Christian is left behind. The evildoers are the ones taken.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997748"></a>The Christian-rapture proponents believe the rapture is implied somewhere in Revelation ch.12, and thus precedes Jesus' Second Coming at <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2014:1&version=KJV">Rev. 14:1</a>. However, they develop unreasonable interpretations to make this claim. How so?</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997759"></a>In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2012:1&version=KJV">Revelation 12:1</a>, we see a woman who later is said to have given birth to Jesus (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2012:5&version=KJV">Rev. 12:5</a>.) Incongruously, rapture-proponents equate this woman who<strong><em> gave birth to Jesus</em></strong> with the<em><strong> church</strong></em>. The reason they do so will be explained momentarily. But equating her to the church is grasping at straws to sustain their rapture-of-Christians view inherited from Paul.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997771"></a>What is appealing about this woman representing the church to Paulinists/Paul-rapturists is this woman <strong><em>takes flight to the mountains</em></strong>. The rapture-proponents equate this flight to the rapture. However, even if this woman were the N.T. church (she cannot be), her flight to the mountains is on earth, <span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong>not a rapture into heaven</strong></span>. Revelation is often figurative, but it is too far<strong><em> a stretch to say a flight to mountains is a flight to heaven</em></strong>.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997772"></a>Then who is the woman really? She represents the <em><strong>sons of Israel</strong></em>. That is how she gives birth to Jesus. It cannot be the church per se because the church did not give birth to Jesus. This woman must pre-exist Christ's birth. Yet, she is displayed here as the victor with Christ.<a name="pgfId=997773uot;></a>The woman represents Israel, the bride of God as God so often calls Israel. Why do we think so?</p> <p class="></a></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a name="pgfId=997398"></a><span data-mce-mark="1">Let's delve a little deeper into Revelation's prediction. When Christ returns and sets foot on Mount Zion (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2014:4&version=KJV">Rev. 14:4</a>), He is welcomed by the 144,000 "saints." These had been previously sealed and thus protected from God's outpouring of wrath while they lived on earth. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%207:3-4&version=KJV">Revelation 7:3-4</a>.) After that period of wrath but prior to Jesus' return at <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2014:4&version=KJV">Rev. 14:4</a>, the beast comes to persecute and martyr them. This killing of the `saints' continues from Revelation ch. 7 through ch. 14. This is the tribulation period. They were persecuted by the beast, and many were killed. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2011:7&version=KJV">Rev. 11:7</a>. See <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=dan%207:25&version=KJV">Daniel 7:25</a>.) Many suffered for "their testimony of Jesus." (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2020:4&version=KJV">Rev. 20:4</a>.) Numerous times in Revelation, Jesus urges the churches to be prepared for this tribulation period and to be overcomers.</span></span></p>
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<p class="BodyAfterHead"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997402"></a>Who are these 144,000 saints who suffer for the "testimony of Jesus"? Based upon a presupposition of Paul's validity, these saints are portrayed by Paulinists as Jewish non-Christian evangelists. This is because these commentators believe Paul teaches Christians were raptured pre-tribulation. However, this notion that no Christian is on earth during the tribulation is nonsense. J<strong>esus says the tribulation is shortened for the "elect's sake."</strong> (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%2013:9-12&version=KJV">Mark 13:19-20</a>.) This makes no sense unless Christians are present and suffering in the tribulation. And more important, Jesus is telling us we will be here so as to be prepared for the challenge rather than looking forward to a quick escape if we become a believer.</span></p>
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<p class="Bodyafterhed"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><a name="pgfId=997790"></a>Bob Gundry, a teacher at Westmont college, struggles to explain away this rapture of evildoers in Revelation ch. 14. He equates it instead with a rapture of Christians. He does this by first abstractly identifying this event as a grain harvest. He says Jesus "reaps a harvest of grain" in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2014:14-20&version=KJV">Rev. 14:14-20</a>. (Bob Gundry, <em>First the Antichrist</em> (Baker Books: Grand Rapids, 1997) at 98-99.) Gundry then compares this to Paul's vision of Jesus taking us in a grain harvest. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor.%2015:23,%2035-49&version=KJV">1 Cor. 15:23, 35-49</a>.) Gundry then says this grain harvest is presented as a blessing, citing <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2014:13&version=KJV">Rev. 14:13</a>. However, this verse does not say those caught away by Jesus' sickle are blessed. It says "blessed are the dead who die in the Lord...." It is clear in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2014:18&version=KJV">Rev. 14:18</a> that "grapes" are caught away from the earth in this harvest to be put in the winepress of the wrath of God "outside the city." (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2014:19-20&version=KJV">Rev. 14:19-20</a>.) When pressed out, the juice that flows is identified as "blood." (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2014:19-20&version=KJV">Rev. 14:20</a>.) This is a destruction of evildoers outside the city, not a blessing of those inside the kingdom of God. Gundry is wrong. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.%2014:19-20&version=KJV">Revelation 14:14-20</a> is speaking of the taking of evildoers at his Second Coming, identical to <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.13:30-40&version=KJV">Matt.13:30-40</a> & <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.%2024:37-42&version=KJV">Matt. 24:37-42</a>.</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">An even more detailed examination is in an email written to Ed. See this <a href="/topicindex/209-jesus-v-paul-on-rapture-.html">link</a>.</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Isaiah prophesies of taking all the evil out of the earth (24:1) to heaven for punishment there (24:21), leaving a small remnant (24:6) behind who rejoice (24:14). God then punishes the "host of heaven in heaven" (24:21) as well as the "kings of earth on earth." (24:21.)</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Here are those passages:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">1 Behold, the Lord will <em><strong>empty the earth</strong></em>[or land] and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and <strong><em>scatter its inhabitants</em></strong>. (24:1, ESV) 6 Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched, and <strong><em>few men are left</em></strong>. **** 14 They lift up their voices, they<em><strong> sing for joy</strong></em>; over the majesty of the Lord they shout from the west [or sea] **** 21 On that day the Lord will <em><strong>punish the host of heaven, in heaven,</strong></em> and the kings of the earth, on the earth. (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+24%3A1%2C6%2C14%2C21&version=ESV">Isaiah 24:1,6,14,21</a>, Bible Gateway, ESV.)</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Isaiah prophecies that such persons (the "host" or great numbers) who came from earth who are now "in heaven" will be kept in a "prison, and after many days will be punished." (Isaiah 24:22.) </span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Isaiah mentions that the moon will be "confounded" and the "sun ashamed." (Isaiah 24:23.) Jesus said likewise of this time: ""There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." (<a href="http://biblehub.com/luke/21-25.htm">Luke 21:25</a>.) In Matthew, these events with the sun and moon are after the tribulation and before Jesus is visibly over the entire earth:</span></p>
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<p class="Body" style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"Immediately <em><strong>after the tribulation</strong></em> of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken." (<a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-29.htm">Matt 24:29</a>.)</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Next, Jesus says the earth will see the sign of the son of Man in the heavens coming in clouds of glory. <em>Id.</em>, Matt 24:30.</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Then Revelation 14 tells us the removal of the evil by the sickle is at this point, leaving behind the good to rejoice (Isaiah 24:6), while the evil are removed to heaven, and shut in a prison to await punishment. (Isaiah 24:21.)</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Isaiah in chapter 25 prophesies of God setting up His reign from the Holy Mountain in Jerusalem, ending death forever, and wiping away all tears, in a very eloquent moving prophecy:</span></p>
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<p class="Body" style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">On this mountain the Lord [Yahweh] of hosts will make for all peoples</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">7 And he will swallow up on this mountain</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> the covering that is cast over all peoples,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> the veil that is spread over all nations.</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">8 He will<em><strong> swallow up death forever;</strong></em></span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">and the Lord God will <em><strong>wipe away tears from all faces</strong></em>,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> for the Lord [Yahweh] has spoken.</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">9 It will be said on that day,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> “Behold, this is our God; we have waited for him, that he might save us.</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> This is the Lord; we have waited for him;</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+25%3A6-10&version=ESV">Isaiah 25:6-10, ESV</a>) </span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Then in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+26%3A19&version=ESV">Isaiah 26:19</a>, the prophet says "your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy!" This is a resurrection on earth from the grave - rising into the New Jerusalem that is spoken about previously. This is evidently of those who keep righteousness and faithfulfness in Isaiah 26:2. </span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Then in Isaiah 26:20 appears a command about an historical moment that precedes the promise that the faithful shall rise. This is about a period of tribulation on earth, and how the faithful are to endure it. There is no promise in Isaiah 26:20 that we will be removed and never have to experience this. Similar to Jesus's warning that we should flee to the hills when we see the events of tribulation, we read in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+26%3A20&version=ESV">Isaiah 26:20</a>:</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span id="en-ESV-18151" class="text Isa-26-20" style="position: relative; color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 24px;">Come, my people, enter your chambers,</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span class="indent-1" style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 24px;"><span class="indent-1-breaks" style="font-family: monospace; line-height: 0;"> </span><span class="text Isa-26-20" style="position: relative;">and shut your doors behind you;</span></span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span class="text Isa-26-20" style="position: relative; color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 24px;">hide yourselves <span class="crossreference" style="line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;" data-link="(<a href="#cen-ESV-18151A" title="See cross-reference A">A</a>)" data-cr="#cen-ESV-18151A"></span>for a little while</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;" /><span class="indent-1" style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 24px;"><span class="indent-1-breaks" style="font-family: monospace; line-height: 0;"> </span><span class="text Isa-26-20" style="position: relative;"><em><strong>until the fury has passed by</strong></em>.</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">While the faithful hide in their chambers, God says Yahweh "is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their inequity." (Isaiah 26:21.) God is directly implying that the inhabitants on earth who are faithful are protected by an action of hiding performed by the faithful -- because warned by Isaiah (and later by Jesus) to take this action.</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">This is similar to the first passover where the faithful of Israel had to stay indoors and do something to avoid the angel of death: smear blood of a lamb on their doorposts. That 'hiding' commanded both by Yahweh to Isaiah, and by Jesus to us is the means of the tribulation passover which Isaiah is talking about. This time God will know who is who. The prophetic warning is simply hide yourselves for a "little while," and the fury will pass. Jesus added that it would be prudent to flee cities, and go to the countryside during this time of tribulation. </span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">The danger of the pre-tribulation theories is that both Isaiah's and Jesus' direction on how to endure the tribuluation will (a) be not publicized as much as they should be; and (b) people who made a commitment to Christ will be disheartened when they go through tribulation of the nature that clearly fits Jesus' warnings. As a Christian can truly fall, and is not guaranteed salvation for a moment of belief, we should pray we will not be tempted to deny Christ by means of torture, etc. Both spiritual strength and physical distance are good antidotes to those temptations. Heeding Isaiah and Jesus is the key to enduring to the end, and if we do so, Jesus promises to save us. As Jesus said about the tribulation period: "<span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">But the one who endures to the end will be saved." (<a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-13.htm">Matt 24:13</a>.)</span></span></p>
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<hr /><span style="font-size: 18pt; color: #0000ff;"><strong>Is This Isaiah Passage About the Return of Christ ? Or Restoring Israel A Second Time (1947-49)?</strong></span>
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<p class="Body" style="margin-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Isaiah 11:11 It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again <strong>the second time</strong> To recover the remnant of His people who are left.</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Barnes comments on this passage as talking of Jesus' return to gather the remnant of God's people on earth a "second time." This is a stretch. Even so, I would only underscore this 2d rescue would be like the first -- a physical return from scattered parts on earth to Israel, and not upward into the sky. Barnes writes (see this <a href="http://bible.cc/isaiah/11-11.htm">link</a>):</span></p>
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<p class="Body"><span style="color: #001320; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 21px; text-align: justify; background-color: #fffefd;">The second time - shênyth. This word properly means, as it is here translated, the second time, implying that the prophet here speaks of a deliverance which would resemble, in some respects, a "former" deliverance or recovery. By the former recovery to which he here refers, he cannot mean the deliverance from Egypt under Moses, for at that time there was no recovery from scattered and distant nations. Besides, if "that" was the reference by the former deliverance, then that mentioned here as the 'second' deliverance would be that from the Babylonian captivity. But on the return from that captivity, there was not a collecting of the Jews from all the nations here specified. When the Jews were led back to Judea under Nehemiah, there is no record of their having been collected from 'Egypt,' or from 'Cush,' or from 'the islands of the sea.' It is evident, therefore, I think, that by the former deliverance to which the prophet here alludes - the deliverance which was to precede that designated here as the "second" - he refers to the return from the captivity of Babylon; and by the 'second,' to some still more future recovery that should take place under the administration of the Messiah. This is further confirmed from the fact that the whole scope of the prophecy points to that future period.</span></p>
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