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<h2><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 24pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #0000ff;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">A Begotten Son As Creator In Paul &amp; The Epistle To The Hebrews</span></strong></span></h2>
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<p><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="color: #800080; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span data-mce-mark="1">Introduction</span></span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul's teaching that Jesus was the first begotten who created the worlds was based upon a mistranslation of Psalm 102. Paul contradicted Isaiah which clearly depicts the Father as the sole Creator. Hence, relying upon Paul to change Isaiah and excessively exalt Jesus runs what risk? Violating the first commandment of the ten commandments: idolatry. Remember Jesus said the Father "dwells in me." (John 14:10.) This is how the voice inside Jesus can say "before </span></span><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Abraham I am." The Father spoke through Jesus. It did not make the man Jesus God or the creator. (See our article "</span></span><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #ccffff;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #ccffff;" data-mce-mark="1">Correct Christology</span></a></span>.")</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;"><span style="color: #000000;" data-mce-mark="1"><span data-mce-mark="1"> Paul's view is even more flawed. Paul concedes someone other than Jesus is God -- the Father. Then the Father first creates Jesus -- identified as the "first begotten.&rdquo; Then Paul says Jesus created everything else. The point of this article is to prove Paul's notion Messiah was the creator of the heavens comes from a mistranslation of Psalm 102.</span></span></span></p>
<h3><span style="color: #800080; font-size: 18pt;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">1. Paul's Words -- A Reminder</span></strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">How did Paul formulate his notion in Col. 1:15-16 that Jesus was the "first begotten" of creation (1:15) and then Jesus next "created" everything else? We believe it came from the same Septuagint mistranslations that the Epistle writer to the Hebrews relied upon for his statements that read identical to what Paul wrote in Col. 1:15-16.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In Col. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:15-16&amp;version=KJV">1:15-16</a>, we read:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Who is the image of the invisible God, the<em><strong> firstborn of every creature</strong></em>:&nbsp;For<strong><em> by him were all things created</em></strong>, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:</span></p>
<h3><span style="color: #800080; font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">2. The Same Idea In Hebrews</span></strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul's words in Col. 1:15-16 parallel what we read in Hebrews, but this time we are given Scripture references.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">First, the writer of Hebrews says God by means of the Son created the worlds (similar to Paul's statement that by the Son all things were created in Col 1:15):</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">[God] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his <em><strong>Son</strong></em>, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, <em><strong>by whom also he made the worlds</strong></em>; (Heb. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:1-2&amp;version=KJV">1:2</a>, KJV)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">So it begins by saying Jesus was the Son who existed before creation of the worlds, and then God made everything "through" or "by" the Son.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Second, the writer of Hebrews affirms Jesus was a begotten Son -- like Paul spoke of Jesus as the first-born:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my<em><strong> Son</strong></em>, this day have I <strong><em>begotten</em></strong> thee? [Quoting Ps. 2:7] And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [quoting 2 Sam. 7:14.] Hebrews<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:5&amp;version=NIV"> 1:5</a>, NIV.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the next verse, the writer of Hebrews refers to Jesus as the "first-born" in identical Greek as Paul used in Col. 1:15:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">And again, when God brings his<strong><em> firstborn </em></strong>into the world, he says,&nbsp;</span><br /><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> "Let all God's angels worship him." (Heb. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:6&amp;version=NIV">1:6</a>, NIV)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Hebrews epistle-writer later repeated this conception that Jesus is a created being in Hebrews 3:1-2. See<em> Note on Hebrews 3:1-2</em> after "Conclusion" below.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(The truth is God/the Word/the Creator "became flesh" in Jesus per John 1:14 but this did not transfer creator-status to a distinct person/individual from God who was supposedly the first-born son/person in ages past. Such a notion of Paul and the Epistle-writers of Hebrews violates&nbsp;Isaiah 44:24 which says that God, unaccompanied and unaided, created the Genesis heavens and earth. He was entirely alone, and God mocks any other view saying: &ldquo;Who was with me?&rdquo; The eternal Word <strong><em>in</em></strong> Jesus was the Creator, but that is not what the epistle-writer or Paul are saying.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, very early on, the epistle of Hebrews repeats Paul's idea -- Jesus was a begotten Son before the worlds were made, and then this Son (who was distinct from the being who created Jesus) then created the heavens and the earth.</span></p>
<h3><span style="color: #800080; font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">3. The Epistle Tells Us The Scripture Source is The Erroneous Septuagint Translation of Ps. 102</span></strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Epistle to the Hebrews will then quote in verses 8-10 the passage of OT scripture he thinks supports some begotten being (the son) -- someone other than the eternal God -- created everything else but himself and became God thereby along the Father-God who made him. To see that Jesus is understood as the "Lord" in verses 8 and 10 of Hebrews who is creator and also a god, we need to quote verses 8, 9 and 10 where verse 9 identifies Messiah (annointed one) -- who has a God over himself -- is the person in view:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(8) But about the <strong>Son</strong> he says: "Your throne, <strong>O God</strong>, will last forever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even<strong><em> thy God, hath anointed thee</em></strong> with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(10) And, Thou,<strong><em> Lord</em></strong>, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (Heb. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:9-10&amp;version=NIV">1:9-10</a> NIV)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The notion in verse 10 is that the one whom in verse 9 God has anointed (Messiah) who is above others (a quote of Ps. 45:6-7) is the Lord whom in verse 10 creates everything (after he himself was the first begotten son). And the Epistle writer refers to the Father as "thy God" over "God" the Son. Verses 8-10 are a quotation of Psalm 102:23-25 in the Septuagint Greek version issued by pagan ruler Ptolemy over Egypt in 247 BC.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">As translated in the Septuagint Greek, it implies some other Lord and God is the creator other than the Lord God who created this first Lord and God.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, this notion in Hebrews 1:10 that someone other than the eternal God was creator who became God over creation came from Psalm 102:23-25 in the Septuagint Greek translation of 247 BC. The Septuagint was created at the commission of Ptolemy, a pagan ruler of Egypt. He asked the Jews to send 6 translators from each of the 12 tribes to do the translation. ("<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=P6EMAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=septuagint%20ptolemy&amp;pg=PA667#v=onepage&amp;q=septuagint%20ptolemy&amp;f=false">Septuagint</a>," <em>Encyclopedia Brittanica</em>.)&nbsp;But a state-sponsored translation under the auspices of&nbsp; a pagan ruler did not augur well for its accuracy.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In this passage of the Septuagint Greek, it says:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">&ldquo;He [God]&nbsp;<em>answered</em> him [<em>i.e.</em>,&nbsp;the suppliant]&hellip;Tell me [<em>i.e., </em>God speaking to the suppliant]&hellip;Thou, Lord [<em>i.e.</em>,&nbsp;God addressing&nbsp;<em>someone else</em> called &lsquo;lord&rsquo;].&rdquo;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The Septuagint Greek translation was in error. The Hebrew original text has &ldquo;He [God]&nbsp;<em>weakened</em> me&hellip;I [<em>i.e.</em>,&nbsp;the<strong> suppliant</strong>] say, &lsquo;O <strong>my God</strong>&hellip;&rsquo;&rdquo;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, the Septuagint erroneously introduced <strong><em>a second Lord </em></strong>who is addressed by God as if this second Lord was Creator, and God and that God the Father of this Son was Himself&nbsp; not creator of the heavens and the earth. The Septuagint has God addressing the suppliant:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"Thou, <strong><em>Lord, at the beginning you founded the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands</em></strong>." (Ps. 102:25 LXX/Septuagint.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews in our NT clearly quoted the Septuagint, not the original Hebrew version. He did so to make the point that this second Lord, not God, was the creator of the heavens and the earth and is rightly seen as God too even though this creator was himself a creature of the Father God. The Epistle of Hebrews intends us to understand (just like Paul does) that the Messiah -- the "first-begotten son" -- was the "creator" of the heavens and the earth who thereby became God, but the creator of heavens and earth was not the Father God who adresses his Son as a second Lord and God as creator of heavens and earth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">B.W. Bacon pointed out a critical flaw in the Septuagint translation of this passage:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"The word<em><strong> 'Lord' is wholly absent from the Hebrew text of Psalm 102:25</strong></em>." (B.W. Bacon, "Heb. 1:10-12 and the Septuagint Rendering of Ps. 102:23," <em>Zeitschrift fur die Neutestamentliche Wissenschaft</em> (1902) Vol. 3 at 280-85.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Bacon also identified other errors in the Septuagint translation that made it appear God is talking in verses 23-24 when it is the suppliant instead who truly is talking:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"[With the Septuagint 'he answered him] the whole passage down to the end of the Psalm becomes the<strong><em> answer of Yahweh </em></strong>to the <strong><em>suppliant who accordingly appears to be addressed as Kurie (Lord) and creator</em></strong> of heaven and earth...." <em>Id.</em></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Bacon says in the original Hebrew, however, it is simply a "complaint of the psalmist at the shortness of his days which are cut off in the midst." <em>Id</em>. </span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The original Hebrew that the Masoretes preserved is confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls ("DSS") from 125 BC which does cover Psalm 102 - the Masoretic number, and has the key verses of 23-25. The DSS reads: </span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic; padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">23 He weakened my strength along the course. He shortened my days. 24<strong> I said</strong>, "<strong>God</strong> do not take me away in the middle of my days. Your years are throughout all generations. 25 Of old, you laid the foundations of the earth. The heavens are the works of <strong>your hands</strong>." (<a href="http://dssenglishbible.com/psalms%20102.htm">Psalm 102</a>, Dead Sea Scrolls English Bible, from Scroll 4Q84 and 11Q5.)</span></p>
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<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The extremely different outcome from the Hebrew original version based upon translation in the Septuagint Greek is reaffirmed by evangelical scholar F.F. Bruce&nbsp;in the&nbsp;<em>New International Commentary on the New Testament</em> (Eerdman's 1990) at 62-63 where he explains:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> Septuagint text</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> the </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">person</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> to whom these words [&ldquo;of old you laid the foundation of the earth&rdquo;] are spoken is</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> addressed explicitly as &ldquo;Lord&rdquo;</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">; and it is</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> God who addresses him thus</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. Whereas in the </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hebrew text the suppliant is the speaker</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> from the beginning to the end of the psalm, in the Greek text his prayer comes to an end with v. 22, and the next words read as follows: &ldquo;He </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">[God] answered him [the suppliant]</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> in the way of his strength: &lsquo;Declare to Me the shortness of My days: Bring Me not up in the midst of My days. Thy [the suppliant&rsquo;s] years are throughout all generations. Thou, </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">lord [the suppliant, viewed here as the Messiah by Hebrews], in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.&rsquo;&rdquo;<span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"></span>This is </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">God&rsquo;s answer</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> to the suppliant; He bids him acknowledge the shortness of God&rsquo;s set time (for the restoration of Jerusalem, as in v. 13) and not summon Him [God] to act when that set time has only half expired, while He [God] assures him [the suppliant, called lord by God] that he and his servants&rsquo; children will be preserved forever&hellip;</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">What caused this error in the Septuagint (LXX)?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"The LXX </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">misread the Hebrew letters</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> "afflict" for "answer" which has the same root letters....The result is that verses 23-28 became the response of Yahweh [God] speaking either to Divine Wisdom or Messiah." (S Edward Tesh, Walter D Zorn, </span><strong><em>Psalms</em></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> (College Press, 2004) at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ShZFPAVievMC&amp;lpg=PA254&amp;dq=hebrews%201%3A10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;pg=PA254#v=onepage&amp;q=hebrews%201:10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;f=false"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">254</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Specifically, it appears the error was a mistake at locating vowel points. As Anthony Buzzard, Th.M., minister and educator, explains:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The reason for the completely different translations, between Greek and Hebrew, lies in the Hebrew vowel points. The sense can be altered if the vowel points are changed, and sometimes it is not clear which of the possible senses is the right one. Thus the Hebrew takes </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">INN</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">a</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">H </span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">to mean &ldquo;He [God] afflicted&rdquo; (v. 23) but the LXX repoints the verb (</span><em>i.e.</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> understands the vowel points to be different from the Hebrew text we now have). The LXX uses the same Hebrew consonants but changes the vowels to read </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">AN</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">a</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">H</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> [</span><em>cf.</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> English shipping/shopping, stepping/stopping] which means &ldquo;He [God] answered [him].&rdquo; So then in the LXX God is answering the one praying and addressing that person as &ldquo;lord.&rdquo; The LXX adds the word &ldquo;lord&rdquo; in v. 25. Next the Hebrew has </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">OM</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">a</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">R</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> eli (&ldquo;I say, &lsquo;O my God,&rsquo; v. 24). But the LXX reads these consonants as </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">EM</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">o</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">R</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> elai (&ldquo;Say to Me,&rdquo; v. 23b; </span><em>i.e</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. the person praying is commanded by God to tell God).&nbsp;(Buzzard, "</span><a href="http://www.21stcr.org/multimedia/artitcles/ab-helping_world_count_to_one-pg4.html#_ftn1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Helping the world count to one</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"). </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Incidentally, the second creating-Lord of the Septuagint in Psalm 102 appears to have caused a matching translation of Psalm 110 (numbered 109 in the Septuagint. This greatly influenced the Epistle to the Hebrews in our Christian canon.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> In Psalm 109 of the Septuagint -- numbered 110 in the Hebrew canon -- the Lord (God) speaks of a king whom "I have begotten thee before the Day-Star." (See John J.&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span>Collins,&nbsp;</span></span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span>Scriptures &amp; Sectarianism&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(Eerdman's 2016) at <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=Hp8xDwAAQBAJ&amp;ppis=_e&amp;lpg=PA89&amp;ots=BJnsCUMTeS&amp;dq=4Q174%20psalm%202&amp;pg=PA92#v=onepage&amp;q=4Q174%20psalm%202&amp;f=false">92</a>.) Collins says this "imputes pre-existence" to a king-figure, i.e., before the Day-Star to rule the day on earth was created. At the same time, Collins says this "translation departs from the Hebrew original." Thus, here a change was made that matches the purposes of changing Psalm 102.&nbsp; </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Then this Psalm 109 in the Septuagint says "The Lord swares and will not repent, you are a priest after the Order of Melchisedec." (See Septuagint <a href="https://ebible.org/eng-Brenton/PSA109.htm">link</a>, verse 4.) While this appears likewise in the Hebrew of the same Psalm, you can readily see how the NT Epistle to the Hebrews jumps on the Septuagint Psalm 110 to re-affim pre-existence and deity to Jesus, ascribing to him no human parent at all. While in the Hebrew Bible, Melchisedec is simply a priest to whom Abraham tithes, the writer of Hebrews draws the unfounded deduction that this means more -- he says this priest is described without "geneology" being stated, implying "he is without mother or father," "having neither beginning of days or end of life." (Hebrews&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+7%3A1-10&amp;version=ESV">7:1-10.</a>) Thereby Hebrews actually vaults Melchisedec into the category of an immortal before all time. A god. He then equates him with Jesus. Thus, now you can see the purpose of the Septuagint -- commissioned by a pagan ruler -- Ptolemy of Egypt - created a second immortal god by tweaking Septuagint Psalm 109 to match the dualism first injected into Psalm 102. The Epistle writer of Hebrews fell in bed with both changes to claim in effect Jesus was this distinct second immortal figure.</span></span></p>
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<h2 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Modern Erasure Of The Variance in Psalm 102.</span></strong></span></h2>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Other than old Catholic Bibles, all modern translations of Psalm 102:23-25 no longer quote any portion of the Septuagint translation. Here is the NIV rendering of that passage as it reads in the Hebrew original, and one can see it is<strong><em> God who remains creator in the true original </em></strong>of Psalm 102:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">23 In the course of my life&nbsp;he broke my strength;&nbsp;<br /> he cut short my days.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">24</span></sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> So I said:&nbsp;<br /> "Do not take me away,</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> O my God,</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> in the midst of my days;&nbsp;<br /> your years go on through all generations.</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">25</span></sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> In the beginning </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">you laid the foundations of the earth,&nbsp;<br /> and the heavens</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> are the work of </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">your hands</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. (Psalm</span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%20102:23-25&amp;version=NIV"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> 102:23-25</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, NIV.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, old Roman Catholic Bibles -- such as the Vulgate or Doay Rheims -- quote the Septuagint version of verse 25 so you can see the difficulty would persist if the Septuagint version of 23-24 were also used in Protestant Bibles. For vv 23-25 in these old Catholic versions using the Septuagint as their guide have it that God is speaking to a creator God, and not the Suppliant/Psalmist speaking to the Creator. For example, the Doay Rheims has in verse 25 that God would have spoken these words to the suppliant if vv 23-24 were as translated in the Septuagint:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><a href="http://bible.cc/psalms/102-25.htm"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(25)</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> In the beginning, </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">O Lord</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, thou foundedst the earth: and the heavens are the works of thy hands (Doay Rheims)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, even now modern Catholic Bibles clean up verse 23 so God is no longer speaking which renders harmless the Septuagint error in verse 25 of adding the word "Lord."</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But importantly the epistle-writer of Hebrews </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">precisely wanted us to believe that God spoke to a distinct being </span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(the Son in verse 1:8)</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> as Lord creator</span></strong> of the heavens and the earth in Psalm 102:23-25. In doing so, we must remember the epistle-writer clearly relied upon<strong><em> a corrupt Septuagint translation of 257 BC. which gave this false impression</em></strong>.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This therefore must be where Paul got the similar idea that the "first born" and "son" of God could be subsequently the Creator distinct from God who previously created/beget the Son.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is even more clear when we examine the erroneous translation from the Septuagint of Psalm 45:7 upon which the epistle-writer relied in Hebrews 1:8.</span></p>
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<h2 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Next Septuagint Error in The Passage</span></strong></span></h2>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Verse 8 of Hebrews ch. 1 is a quote from the Septuagint Psalm</span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><a href="http://sept.biblos.com/psalms/44.htm" style="font-style: italic;"> 44:7</a>. In the&nbsp;</span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Hebrew Bible, it is Psalm 45:6. In the English Bible, it is Psalm 45:7. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">In the Septuagint Greek of 257 BC, this verse refers "to the Son as God"&nbsp;(S Edward Tesh, Walter D Zorn,</span><em> Psalms</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> (College Press, 2004) at </span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ShZFPAVievMC&amp;lpg=PA254&amp;dq=hebrews%201%3A10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;pg=PA254#v=onepage&amp;q=hebrews%201:10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;f=false" style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">254</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">). See also&nbsp;Alfred Rahlfs</span><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=6p_YAAAAMAAJ" style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> Septuaginta</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"> (1950) Vol. 2 at 47.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Hence, Tesh &amp; Zorn says this proves the epistle-writer believed Jesus was God. The epistle-writer of Hebrews wrote:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(8) But unto the</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> Son</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> he saith, </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thy throne, O God</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(9) </span></sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Heb. </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+1&amp;version=KJV"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">1:8-9</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, NIV.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">If we go to the KJV of Psalm </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+45&amp;version=KJV"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">45:6-7</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">&nbsp;(the same but differently chaptered than Septuagtint), we find this is the verse Heb. 1:8 'quotes.' We find the "Son" is however not mentioned and thus the KJV ignores the Septuagint error relied upon in Hebrews 1:8 by removing this as a verse where the Son is called 'God':</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">(6) Thy throne, </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">O God</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">(7) </span></sup><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Again, the Masoretic Hebrew from 800-900 AD was confirmed as accurate, and hence the error of the Septuagint, by virtue of&nbsp; the Dead Sea Scrolls. It covers Psalm 45:6-7, and again there is "God" but no "Son" in the passage. See "<a href="http://dssenglishbible.com/psalms%2045.htm">Psalm 45</a>" Dead Sea Scrolls in English.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The KJV thus has the correct text from the Hebrew original of Psalm 45:6-7. So instead of God calling the Son <em>God</em>, the true verse says God's throne is eternal. Thus, the epistle-writer of Hebrews&nbsp;<strong><em>mistakenly relied upon an erroneous verse in the Septuagint Greek text</em></strong> to insist otherwise. As a result, the epistle-writer of Hebrews thought a created being -- a "first born" and a "son" -- was<strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> also God</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. So according to the epistle-writer of Hebrews, you have two distinct beings who are each God.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">No wonder Marcion in 144 AD deduced from Paul (and evidently this epistle to the Hebrews) that there was the God who created the heavens-and-earth -- known as the demi-urge whom Jesus supposedly represented when Jesus died (Romans 7:1-7) --- but that the creator of Jesus -- the God of the NT -- was the eternal Father (but not the creator). Marcion taught it was this Father-God (rather than the demi-urge God who created all matter) who resurrected Jesus. (For more background on Romans 7:1-7, see our webpage </span><a href="/topicindex/167-romans-7-a-major-incongruity.html"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Paul says The God of Sinai Is Dead in Romans 7:1-6</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Marcionism was a Paul-only movement in the early church started in 144 A.D. that almost swept away orthodox Christianity. See our webpage on </span><a href="/topicindex/56-marcionism.html"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">Marcionism</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">PS Some try to leave alone the importance of the Septuagint error of adding "Son" in Ps. 45:6 by claiming "God" in Ps. 45:6 does not truly mean "God." They realize that otherwise we would be forced to believe the Septuagint-version of the Psalm and epistle-writer endorsed a created and first-begotten Son in ages past who was a God distinct from His creator who was also God. If we take this Septuagint translation as inspired writ, we have terrible incongruities that require some solution.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, some escape the incongruities by claiming the Hebrew for "God" -- ELOHIM -- in this Psalm 45:6/7 means 'god' in a courtly royal title. For example, in the&nbsp;</span><em>Theological Dictionary of the New Testament</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> (1965) at 3:96 it says: "In Ps. 45:6, the Elohim undoubtedly </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">refers to a man</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">,</span><em> i.e</em>.<span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, the king and not to Yahweh."</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This is clearly false, as it says "Your throne, God, is forever and ever." This is not about a man. However, even if it were about a man, this is not how the epistle-writer of Hebrews wanted to interpret the Psalm. Thus, we must face the fact the word "Son" is an inadvertent addition by the Septuagint, and this <strong>misled</strong> the epistle-writer of Hebrews to <strong>believe</strong> Psalm 45:6 said <strong>God</strong> who begot the Son <strong>called the Son another God</strong> distinct from Himself.</span></p>
<h2 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Conclusion</span></strong></span></h2>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Paul's notion in Col. 1:15-16 was that Jesus was the first-born of all creation and then turned around and created everything else.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">What was Paul relying upon for these ideas?</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The rationale for his ideas is clear in Hebrews 1:1-10. The epistle-writer repeats Paul's ideas in Heb. 1:2, 5.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Then the epistle-writer bases those same claims upon several Septuagint mistranslations into Greek of the Hebrew Bible. So in Hebrews 1:6, Jesus is the "first-born," as Paul says likewise. To prove Jesus's early creation before everything else (</span>i.e.<span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, first-born status), the epistle-writer says Jesus is addressed by God as the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Psalm 102:23-25. (See Heb. 1:9-10.)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">To prove this Creator of just the heavens and earth was the Son but God was not the Creator of the same, the epistle-writer says God addressed the heaven-and-earth creator-Son as "God" in Psalm 45:6.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But the two proofs of this duo of Gods was based upon clear mistranslations of (1) Psalm 102:23-25 by adding "Lord" where it did not exist (and making God the speaker who addresses this 'Lord,') and (2) Psalm 45:6 by adding "Son" in an address to God where it also did not exist.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, clearly the epistle-writer has in mind two distinct beings/persons -- one creating the other, the Father creating the Son -- where the created one (the Son) is then the creator of the worlds - but the first God calls the second being/person/Son "God." But, as demonstrated above, the epistle-writer based this upon improperly translated texts in the Greek Septuagint from 257 BC.</span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">It is also important to realize the epistle-writer was trying to prove his case from Scripture, and was </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">not himself claiming inspiration</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. Because his work was totally flawed by virtue of the translation corruption in the texts upon which he relied, we are free to reject his arguments in Hebrews because they are based upon erroneous translations.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There are not two gods -- one a created being/Son who was also a creator of the worlds and the other a father/maker/begetter of the 'first-born' Son.</span></p>
<h3 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="color: #800080; font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The True Nature of Christ</span></strong></span></h3>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Unfortunately, neither Paul nor the Hebrews' writer are saying what truly is the case: the Word that came to "dwell" in Jesus (John 1:18; 14:10) was the Creator. That would be distinctly different and consistent with what Jesus says. If Paul and the Epistle-writer of Hebrews saw Divinity present in Jesus, instead of a distinct created being/Son who was also a God and Creator in ages past, then they would be on the right track. For such a correct Christology based upon Jesus's Words Only, please see my discussion at this </span><a href="/topicindex/189-correct-christology.html"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">link</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.</span></span></p>
<h3 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="color: #800080; font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Risk Of Violating The First Commandment</span></strong></span></h3>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Sadly, the way that Paul and Hebrews conceive of Jesus invites us to violate the First Commandment which is to "have no other gods before me." For just like Marcion, Paul and the epistle-writers of Hebrews create another God besides the Creator who is God, or they alter the one true God so He is two distinct beings. This would shock Tertullian in 207 AD even though he was the first to advance the Trinity doctrine. However, he did so in its proper and valid form. (Jesus was indwelled by God. See link below.) In 207 AD, Tertullian said Marcion's view that there is a distinct creator-God from God-the-Father (</span>i.e<span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">., the same view which Paul and the Epistle-writer to the Hebrews holds)&nbsp;leads to idolatry:</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">&ldquo;They either pretend that there is </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">another god in opposition to the Creator</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, or, even if they acknowledge that the Creator is the one and only God, they treat him</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> as a different being from what he is in truth</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">. The consequence is that every lie which they speak of God is in a certain sense</span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> a sort of idolatry</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.&rdquo; (Tertullian, </span><em>On Prescription Against Heretics</em><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, 40)</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">For further reading on how the original correct trinity doctrine of Tertullian was materially altered 180 years after his death, going too far, see our webpage "</span><a href="/topicindex/208-exaltation-that-turns-idolatrous.html"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Exaltation that Went Too Far</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">."</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">END </span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Motivation of Septuagint. </span></span></strong></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">It is quite obvious the Septuagint in Psalm 102 falsely altered the text so there are multiple gods. This reflects an accomodation to pagans -- to divide God into two. </span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In line with this is another very serious mistranslation and distortion in the Greek Septuagint of 257 BC. The Hebrew Bible says the end-times error will come through the King of Tyre. The Septuagint portrays the exact opposite -- apparently to make Gentiles feel more included. In Calvin J. Retzel's <strong>Paul: The Man and the Myth</strong> (Fortress Press, 1999) at <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=alHM-fOw1BYC&amp;lpg=PA17&amp;dq=anomia%20in%20septuagint&amp;pg=PA17#v=onepage&amp;q=anomia%20in%20septuagint&amp;f=false">17</a>, he explains the </span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic; padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"LXX [Septuagint] reverses the condemnation in the MT [Masoretic Text - historic text of OT] and recognizes Tyre as the gateway through which the eschatalogical offerings flow to Jerusalem." </span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, the King of Tyre truly took on a prophetic identification with Satan in the true text, especially in Ezekiel 28:11-19. Thus, the Isaiah prophecy is interpreted to be about Satan. See this <a href="https://www.gotquestions.org/King-of-Tyre.html">article</a> at GotQuestions.</span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">But the Septuagint begins to open tolerance towards this figure who represents Biblically Satan. And that is how <strong>Satan was influencin</strong>g the Septuagint Bible -- to support dualistic gods and changing the King of Tyre -- himself -- into a beneficial figure. The Septuagint likely only meant to complement a pagan king to enlist his support and be compromising. But this change shows Paul, who almost exclusively relied upon the Septuagint, came to believe not only in the dualism of two gods -- a creator son and a father god -- but also in the blessings to Israel would come through the Gentiles -- which the Septuagint portrayed as the King of Tyre. But if Paul knew this was an error in translation, and compared it to Ezekiel 28, Paul would have known this is the OPPOSITE of God's plan. The Gentiles will be blessed by Messiah, and join with Israel in a new covenant. The Gentiles - including their leader outside Israel -- the King of Tyre -- would not have the lead in this renewal. </span></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">However, bear in mind that the Septuagint went through various modifications. It began to add changes to warn against ANOMIA. (Retzel: 18.) So the reader would hear two messages -- the Gentiles will bring benefits and leadership, but Israel should not abandon its law. Paul found the solution: the Gentiles and Jews would go their separate ways, and the Gentiles were no longer in any sense under the Mosaic Law.</span></span></p>
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<h3 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong>Further Reading</strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;">On the origin of the NT doctrine of the Son as creator instead of Yahweh-the-Father as creator, see Sean McDonaugh, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3ZCkAgJqImcC&amp;dq=B.W.+Bacon,+%22Heb.+1:10-12+and+the+Septuagint+Rendering+of+Ps.+102:23,%22+Zeitschrift+fur+die+Neutestamentliche+Wissenschaft&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s">Christ as Creator: Origin of a New Testament Doctrine</a> (Oxford University Press: 2009)</span>.</span></p>
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<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">TWO NOTES ON HEBREWS 3:1-3</span></strong></span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hebrews 3:1-2 says clearly in Greek that God was the "maker" of Jesus, but this is rendered often to obscure this by rendering the word at issue as "appointed." It correctly says: "the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; </span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> </span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Who was faithful to him that </span><s><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">appointed</span></s><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> made</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> [</span><a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4160"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">poiesanti</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">] him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house." (Heb. </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%203:1-2&amp;version=KJV"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">3:1-2</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">, KJV.)&nbsp;Cf. Rev. 14:7 (God who "made" (</span>poiesanti<span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">) the heaven and earth).</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There is not one possible meaning of 'appointed' in any of the translation options for </span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">poieo</span><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> per </span><a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4160" style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thayer</span></a>. They are all about making, authoring, etc. If it said Jesus was "made an apostle," etc., you might use the word 'appointed' in our vernacular. But that is missing here. Instead, "appointed" was obviously <strong><em>used as a gloss to mitigate from our hearing</em></strong> what Hebrews 3:2 actually says. The true translation is in accord with Heb. 1:6. </span></p>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This proves once again the epistle-writer believes God was the </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">maker </span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">of Jesus -- the supposed </span><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">first-born</span></strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"> of all creation.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There is also incongruously a verse from the Hebrews-epistle writer which reflects he did not believe Jesus was God. Luther discusses this verse, and for this reason he denied the Epistle to the Hebrews was inspired. The language that bothered Luther is in this wider quote of these same verses:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and<em> High Priest</em> of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that appointed [<em>sic</em>: <strong><em>made</em></strong>] him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For <em><strong>this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses</strong></em>, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house" (Heb 3:1-3 KJV)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Luther questioned how God could be called a High Priest -- how Jesus could be appointed to the position of High Priest -- and how Jesus could be compared to Moses. How could it be said of God that "this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses"? Luther denied inspiration to Hebrews because it was absolutely clear in these thoughts that the author of this epistle did not believe that Jesus was truly God. </span></p>
<h1><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><em>MISCELLANY</em></span></h1>
<h2><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong>Another Error In Septuagint Quoted in Hebrews Chapter One</strong></span></h2>
<p style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Incidentally, &nbsp;the quotation "Let all..." in Heb. 1:6 is a quote from the 257 BC Septuagint Greek translation of Deut. 34:43. (See </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:6&amp;version=NIV"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">NIV note</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.)&nbsp;But this "Let all" quote is completely foreign to the original Deut. 34:43. It is an obvious mistranslation by the Septuagint of the true Deut. </span><a href="http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/32-43.htm"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">34:43</span></a><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">.</span></span></p>
<h2 style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: 18pt;"><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Other Commentary on Hebrews 1:10</span></strong></span></h2>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Oddly, in Bowman, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_W142FABnCsC&amp;lpg=PA192&amp;dq=hebrews%201%3A10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;pg=PA192#v=onepage&amp;q=hebrews%201:10%20quotes%20psalm%20102&amp;f=false">Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ</a> (2007) at 192, Bowman uses the fact that Hebrews 1:10 quotes Psalm 102 as proving the deity of Christ without pointing out that it proves the opposite if one hews closely to the text. It might prove Jesus is creator, but as Psalm 102 was translated, this said God identified a<strong> different Lord </strong>who created the heaven and the earth. And in Hebrews 1:6, the epistle identifies this Lord as the "first-born." </span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Another Pagan Idea of An Immortal In Hebrews </span></span></strong></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The writer of Hebrews is extremely pagan in chapter seven, when he talks about Melchisedek -- who is a mere brief character in the Bible -- the king of Salem and Priest to "El Elyon" (God Most High) according to Gen. 14:18-20. The absence of Genesis mentioning of any facts about his life led the Hebrews writer to ascribe to this king that he himself is immortal - having no father, no beginning of days, and no geneology. The Epistle reads:&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 18pt;"><span style="font-style: normal;">This Melchizedek was king of Salem&nbsp;and priest of God Most High.&nbsp;He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,<span id="en-NIV-30067"><span style="line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; font-weight: bold;">2&nbsp;</span>and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means &ldquo;king of righteousness&rdquo;; then also, &ldquo;king of Salem&rdquo; means &ldquo;king of peace.&rdquo;</span><span id="en-NIV-30068"><span style="line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; font-weight: bold;">3&nbsp;</span><strong>Without father or mother, without genealogy,&nbsp;without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,</strong>&nbsp;he remains a priest forever.&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+7&amp;version=NIV">Heb 7:1-3</a>.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span id="en-NIV-30068">As the Hebrew writer previously said Jesus was "begotten" but will be priest forever, the resemblance was solely that Jesus would remain priest forever. But at the same time, the writer made Melchizedek into an immortal, with no Father like God, and no "beginning of days" -- which are attributes only a god could have. Is he God the Father? No. The writer affirms he was a priest to the God most High, and it was a truth. So you have the author saying someone who is not God the Father is immortal - the priest to God known as Melchizedek. He like God was never created and had no beginning. This concept of an immortal alongside the Father is completely pagan, and is a belief in multiple gods in the sense of immortals. </span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'times new roman', times;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span id="en-NIV-30068">Hence, this helps us see that the Hebrews writer had a corrupt vision about multiple gods, and thus had no problem accepting the Septuagint Greek 257 BC pagan duality of Gods in Psalm 102. The writer's mind is so saturated with paganism that he attributed immortal characteristics to a passing character in the Bible with nothing much mentioned about him, and certainly nothing about his birth (or lack thereof) or his antecedent God-like immortality.</span></span></span></p>
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