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<h1>For those who doubt the apostle Paul by anonymous (June 24 2011)</h1>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">These materials are copied from this&nbsp;<a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1539804/pg2">link</a> in case it disappears one day. It is yeoman's work on the problem of Paul. It is a woman writer who calls herself Anonymous. Update: subsequently, the author contacted me, and approved of my posting her work below. The formatting still has problems, and I am gradually trying to improve it. Yet, the nuggets in this are worth ferreting through the layout problems.</span></p>
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<h2>Right to Payment as Ministers</h2>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>Paul claims (in direct opposition to Jesus) that his ministers deserve to be paid! </span></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>Paul takes a sentence out of the Tanakh "Do not muzzle the Ox as it treads out the grain" </span></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>Paul equates this, and says that</span></span></p>
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<li><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">#1 God does not care about the ox! This is a LIE, Jesus said that the Father knows when even the tiniest sparrow falls! A Ox is just as much the creation of the Creator as you! </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">#2 Paul then uses this to and says that since they sowed spiritually in us, that they can reap from us physically (Which makes no sense anyways)</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">#3 Paul and modern day preachers, While preaching the Torah is done away with, use this to push the concept of a 10% religion tax. THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF THIS IN TORAH! OFFERINGS WERE DONE VIA THE CROPS YOU GREW! THEY WERE USED TO FEED LEVITES AND TO THROW GIANT PARTIES THAT INCLUDED THE ENTIRE NATION!</span></span></li>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>So what is the reality of this quote?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>The truth is that YHWH does care about Oxes. The Torah is full of agricultural advice that any farmer will tell you is 100% true! </span></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>Oxes unlike Cows or a bull, do the majority of sweating via their noses! </span><strong>If you muzzle a ox as it works the animal will die!</strong><span> </span></span><span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">So Paul once again, Lied, took the Torah out of context, and used it as a excuse to send his goonies to round up cash from his churches!</span> </span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span>Paul claims (In direct opposition to Jesus) that his ministers deserve to be paid! </span></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">******************</span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Obviously you did not throughly read my post last night before you decided to ask the same questions that I already spelled out for you so, let's try again. It will help if you actually read it.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Yah, [yod-heh-vav-heh] the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had created the Garden of Eden and in it He placed not only Adam and Eve, who was formed of Adam, but also the Tree of Life, Yahushua, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Halal HaShatan, whom many today refer to as Satan or Lucifer. This is found in the book of Genesis, Chapter 2.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Yah is unchanging. He never changes. He is and does exactly the same today as He did in the beginning - blessings, judgments, mercy, curse and to the very end He still tests His people. </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Malachi 3:6 - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Most believers will say that they believe that Yah allowed His creation, His own perfect garden, to become corrupt for His purpose and to His own end but few will understand that He also allowed this corruption to enter into their Bibles and churches.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">It is far easier to think that Yah has changed than it is to consider your own blindness and error. Just as Eve was [seemingly] so easily deceived, is it possible that maybe we too have bitten into the other side of that very same apple? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><strong>Satan's contract with the Most High</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Those who know Him understand that Yah never does anything in secret. In contrast, Satan deals deceitfully and takes refuge under the cover of darkness. Satan has been granted the authority by Yah to deceive and manipulate whomever he will but thankfully, Satan too must announce his dealings - albeit in one crafty form or another.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Our Father made provisions for His people and always gives us the opportunity to make choices. I grieve for those who are falsely educated, lack discernment or just don't care. It is by this lack of knowledge and understanding that Yah's people are destroyed. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Some have accused me of wanting to remove Paul from the Bible. This could not be further from the truth. It is not possible to test truth against falsehood without pitting them against one another. All anyone need do is compare Paul's teachings to the rest of the Bible to see how it is a new doctrine. </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Paul himself tells us in 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for [not only] doctrine, [but also] for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Books known to be authored by Paul and Pauline Disciples</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Luke, Pauline Disciple</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Acts</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Romans</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">1 Corinthians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">2 Corinthians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Galatians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Ephesians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Colossians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">1 Thessalonians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">2 Thessalonians</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">1 Timothy</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">2 Timothy</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Titus</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Philemon</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Hebrews</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">1 Peter, Unknown/Controversial</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">2 Peter, Unknown/Controversial</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><strong>There are only 12 Apostles</strong></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Revelation 21:14 - And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the lamb. </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Acts 9:26 - And when Paul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Contrary to the books written by Paul or his disciples, the new heaven and new earth will not contain Paul's name as an apostle.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Yahushua's Apostles were as follows: </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Found in Matthew 10:2-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:12-19 and Acts 1:13 </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Simon who is called Peter </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Andrew his brother </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">James the son of Zebedee </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">John his brother </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Philip </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Bartholomew </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Thomas </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Matthew the publican </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">James the son of Alphaeus </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Simon the Canaanite</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Mattathias who replaced Judas Iscariot </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Paul's name is NOT one of them!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><strong>Requirements for apostleship as laid out by Yahushua himself</strong></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Acts 1:21-22 - Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that He was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of His resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Acts 10:39-42 - Spoken by the Apostle Peter, </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.</span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Notice two requirements which automatically disqualify Paul for Apostleship: </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><strong>Paul does NOT meet a single one of the requirements!</strong></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">This eliminates any future day apostleship. Sorry Paul, you were not with Yahushua from his baptism until his ascension and viewing a disembodied light which blinded your eyesight so that you could not see for three, (3) days does not count. [See Fact or fiction? Paul gets confused about the most important day of his life.] </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><strong>Contrary to blinding one's vision:</strong> </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Revelation 3:18 - I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. </span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">Yah doesn't blind us. He gives us vision to see clearly!</span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br />Paul - A Pharisee and the root of the whore of Babylon<br />Paul was a Pharisee, Philippians 3.4:6 and a persecutor of Yah's people. Galatians 1:13-15<br />Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:6<br />How is it that ye do not understand that I spake [it] not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Matthew 16:11<br />And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod. Mark 8:15<br />Yahushua did not mince words in His warnings. It is not only implausible but outrageous to assert that this murdering Pharisee could possibly ever become an Apostle of Yahushua.&nbsp;<br />In Revelation 17:1-2, Yahushua calls the last days churches the "whores of Babylon." Why? Because they are filled with corruption, 501(c)(3) government regulated corporate status, deceptions and lies.&nbsp;<br />Christian churches today are based on false and unsound doctrine contrived by Paul's blasphemy and very much leading Yah's people, Yisrael, astray.&nbsp;<br />Leviticus 26:4-6 - But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if you shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant, I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.<br />Through Paul's blatant fallacy of presenting us with a new warm and fuzzy gospel, teaching that we cannot possibly follow or no longer have a need to do the very things we were commanded by Yah and exampled through Yahushua we are seeing more and more terror in the world with more surely to follow. We have and continue sowing seeds in vain and are enduring grievous sorrow. Can you not see the warning, curse and judgment?<br />Commandments and statutes are a blessing given to us by our creator and Father to ensure our prosperity, health and happiness. Paul has knowingly and cunningly told us that there is no need of circumcision, that it is good to eat things sacrificed to idols as long as we don't *feel it is a sin and that there is no need to observe the weekly and yearly Sabbaths. The churches have taught that Yah, our Father's perpetual and everlasting holy feasts are Jewish festivals. Huh? They aren't Jewish feasts at all, they are for every one of Yah's people.<br />In The letter written to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans found in Revelation 3:14-22, we learn that these latter day churches are most certainly not of Yah. To understand this with clarity, one must realize that Yahushua is standing outside the door of the church. Yahushua is not inside them, Paul is.<br />Revelation 3:20 - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.<br /><br />One does not stand inside and knock to get in, they knock from outside. Period. Anyone, including your pastor, reverend, minister, etc., who says, "What this really means is... " and generally ends with something along the lines of "Jesus i
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><br /><span style="color: red;">#1 Paul claimed to be a Pharisee of Pharisees. Jesus told us to beware of this class of religious guru.&nbsp;<br /><br />For those who may not know, the Pharisees practiced the "Oral Torah" or what is known today as Talmud. While there is much wisdom in much of the writings, there are also thousands of laws which add and subtract from the Torah of Moses. This is forbidden.<br /><br />#2 Paul claims the Herodian is his kinsman! Jesus specifically told his followers to beware of the Herodians! So Paul claims to be a member of both groups Jesus WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO WARN YOU ABOUT!<br /><br />#3 Herodians claimed to be jews but were not! They were actually EDOMITES. The Herodians claimed to be Jews of the tribe of ..............Benjamin! Paul of course admits he is a Herodian and says he is trying to be from the tribe of Benjamin!&nbsp;<br /><br />#4 Didn't Jesus specifically warn you in Revelations about those who "Claimed to be Jews but were not"! In first century Judea during this time period, EVERYONE KNEW THIS MEAN THE HERODIANS!<br /><br />#5 Church history even records that Paul was a GENTILE who converted to Judaism in order to marry the daughter of the high priest. (Who was a Saducee not a pharisee btw). Paul was such a famous thug for this high priest Josephus talks about him in book XX of Antiquities of the Jews!&nbsp;<br /><br />Later the high priest refused to let Paul marry his daughter and Paul went on his rant against circumcision and the Jews! And FYI Gamaliel only took advanced ADULT STUDENTS!&nbsp;<br /><br />#6 Paul claims that woman are saved via child birth!<br /><br />#7 Paul forbids a woman to speak or have authority over a man, even though Jesus treated them equally, and a woman is as much the daughter of YHWH as we are his sons! Israel had both male AND FEMALE PROPHETS, and Deborah lead all of Israel as a judge!<br /><br />#8 The Torah is forever and everlasting, and the prophets tell us that ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SPEAK ACCORDING TO THE TORAH OR PROPHETS HAVE NO LIGHT IN THEM! Paul lies and tells us the Torah was only a schoolmaster till Jesus came!&nbsp;<br /><br />#9 Paul claims faith came when Jesus did and argues since Jesus is here we are justified by faith............why does he claim this..........because he says Abraham was justified by faith! Now wait a minute Paul, you just said faith came with Jesus!<br /><br />#10 Paul says he is a fake! paul makes it clear that when he is around Jews he pretends to keep Torah, and that when he is around non Jews who pretends to be them! He is a chameleon and fake!<br /><br />#11 Every Jew from Asia in Acts accuses Paul of teachings JEWS EVERYWHERE not to keep the law of Moses. These are devout Jews who have traveled all the way from ASIA MINOR (The same Place Jesus writes to in Revelations) to keep the feast! This all leads to Paul's arrest, and then Paul LIES ABOUT WHY HE GOT ARRESTED!&nbsp;<br /><br />#12 Paul quotes pagan authors all throughout his writings. Paul quotes pagan gods. Paul quotes a pagan play AND CALLS THE MAN A PROPHET WHEN THE PLAY WAS GIVING HONOR TO ZEUS AND CALLING CRETANS LIARS BECAUSE CRETANS DID NOT BELIEVE ZEUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD!<br /><br />Need I go on folks?<br /><br />Again, I remind you, I need only be correct on 1 point in all this!</span></span><br /><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #ff0000; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #ff0000; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: red;"><br />#1 Paul gives 3 totally conflicting conversion accounts in the book of Acts.&nbsp;<br /><br />#2 In the 3rd conversion account Paul quotes Dionysus from a pagan play!&nbsp;<br /><br />#3 Paul also in his 3rd conversion accounts LIES about why he got arrested and caused even more of a disturbance and a riot because of his lie!&nbsp;<br /><br />#4 Paul gives a fourth conflicting account of his conversion in Galatians.&nbsp;<br /><br />#5 Paul lies about what Hab 2:4 really says as I pointed out in the above post. Remember, people could not just go purchase a "Bible" back then to check up on Paul. The Hebrew Scriptures were penned on dried animal skins, and it took the around $50-75,000 dollars of today's value to get even 1 Tanakh totally made (in Scrolls)<br /><br />#6 Paul lies in Galatians about the events of Acts 15 and say "We were only to remember the poor", he leaves out the other 4 things which were listed as starting points for Jews and Gentiles to come together.&nbsp;<br /><br />#7 Paul teaches against the FOREVER AND EVERLASTING command of circumcision.&nbsp;<strong>No stranger could even partake of Passover unless they were circumcised! Abraham's servants who were not even "Jews" were circumcised! This alone shows Paul to be a false prophet!<br /><br />#8 Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. Paul turns his enemies over to SATAN FOR TORTURE!&nbsp;<br /><br />#9 Jesus says not to call your brother a fool, but Paul calls the ENTIRE REGION of Galatia fools because they have went after another "Gospel" of Peter, James, and John, whom Paul said were only "Seemed to be pillars".<br /><br />#10 Jesus says we are saved by keeping the commandments! Paul on says the exact opposite!&nbsp;<br /><br />#11 Jesus says the Torah is eternal, and that as his followers we are to DO and teach the least of the Torah. Anyone who breaks and does not do the least is the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven! Paul teaches against this! Paul says the Torah was "nailed to the cross".&nbsp;<br /><br />#12 Paul says the Torah was to condemn people. YHWH says the Torah was given so that we human being could CHOOSE LIFE!&nbsp;<br /><br />#13 Paul says the Torah caused him to sin! What filth and utter blasphemy! Paul says the Torah made sin stonger in him and wrought all manner of sin in him! I am curious how many of you christians read "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife" and had that make you sin? Paul also calls Moses and YHWH a liar during this section!&nbsp;<br /><br />#14 Paul lies about what Moses said in Galatians. Moses told us NOT TO SPIRITUALIZE THE TORAH and to never whine that the Torah was hard to keep! Moses said it was easy and right here that we may DO IT. Paul leaves out the "Do it" part and replaces with faith! Paul also spiritualizes the entire Torah!</strong><br /><br />#15 Paul tells people to remain slaves because Jesus is coming back!&nbsp;<br /><br />#16 Paul tells people to remain single and stay in the state you were found! YHWH tells us to marry and have kids!&nbsp;<br /><br />#17 Paul directly broke Torah, which commands us to let a slave who has escaped settle anywhere he wants in the land. Torah says this slave can never be returned to his master and that the slave is to be left alone! PAUL RETURNS ONISEMUS TO HIS MASTER! How did Paul's "Freedom" work out for that guy?<br /><br />#18 Paul breaks Torah and says "IF you do not work you do not eat" Torah commands us to leave the corners of our field untouched so that the orphan, the poor, the widows, and the illegal aliens/strangers can eat!&nbsp;<br /><br />#19 Paul says that a woman is saved via Child bearing.&nbsp;<br /><br />#20 Paul lies and says no man is righteous and takes 6 verses from all over the Tanakh out of context (<strong>where King David is contrasting the righteous with the wicked!) to attack the Romans who accused Paul of being a liar which Paul admits in Romans 3:7</strong></span></span><br /><br /><span style="color: green;">I COULD GO ON FOR
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