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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In this page, we will explore the scholarly attempt to rebut Bultmann. Volgouris will contend that Paul meant we no longer know Jesus as a Jew, but as a resurrected being. Even so, it does not negate Bultmann's understanding. Thus, Volgouris' argument is frankly so weak and forced that it reminds us how likely accurate indeed is Bultmann's reading of Paul. (We of course at "Jesus Words Only" endorse Jesus' post-resurrection statement that the true apostles were instructed to "teach everything I have commanded you" - meaning teach what He commanded prior to His resurrection.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In the scholarly article by Christos Sp. Voulgaris, "2 Cor, 5:16 and the problem of St. Paul’s opponents in Corinth," <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Theologia Review</span> 46 (Athens 1975), reprinted online at this link, he recognizes Bultmann's point. Voulgaris summarizes that Bultmann claimed that 2 Cor. 5:16 proves Paul's view was that it is irrelevant to know of the earthly teachings of Jesus. Voulgaris says 2 Cor. 5:16 highlights the</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">long debated problem of Paul’s<em><strong> acquaintance with the historical person of Jesus Christ</strong></em>, either previous or subsequent to his conversion, and its legitimacy for salvation in Jesus Christ by faith, which he preached. Id.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Voulgaris goes back to Clement of Alexandria from the patristic era. Clement intended us to understand "according to the flesh" in 2 Cor. 5:16 to mean prior to Christ's exultation. After this point is implied "the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the believers, following Christ’s exultation." (Christos Sp. Voulgaris, "2 Cor, 5:16 and the problem of st. Paul’s opponents in Corinth," <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Theologia Review</span> 46 (Athens 1975), reprinted online at this<a href="http://www.myriobiblos.gr/bible/studies/voulgaris_2cor5-16.asp"> link</a>.)</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">announcing Himself as flesh, He calls to Himself those who are flesh, that He may in the first place cause them to be transformed according to the Word that was made flesh, and afterwards may lead them upwards to behold Him as He was <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>before He became flesh</strong></span>; so that they, receiving the benefit, and ascending from their great introduction to Him, which was according to the flesh, say, "Even if we have known Christ after the flesh, yet henceforth know we Him no more." (Origen <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Against Celsus</span> Book VI at 353.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Bultmann and Schweitzer took this then in the direction of what was supposedly the right gospel to preach -- just the Jesus that Paul knew - his kerygma, and not the one known by Apostles Matthew and John in their gospel accounts:</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">The abolition of the law, of circumcision and of the descent from Abraham Paul had made absolutely clear to the Corinthians during his visit to them to preach the Gospel (cf.1 Cor. 2:1f) and repeated it in his first letter (1 Cor.1:22f; 7:17-20). He also stated here that >????? ?? ???? ?????????? ?????? ???????????” (1 Cor.7:17).</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In view of this situation therefore, the dilemma posed by scholars with respect to the correct meaning of “???? ?????” in 2 Cor. 5:16 cannot be regarded as a dilemma at all. As in the other cases, so here, too, the reference is to natural human relationship. The background is the same. Paul refutes the ideas of his opponents referred to in vs. 12. ****</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Now on the basis of Paul’s explanation, we can infer the nature of the ideas of his opponents. Paul’s emphasis upon the universality of Christ’s death and resurrection leaves no doubt that his adversaries tried to minimize the independence of the Gospel from the law and turn it into an internal affair of the Jewish national and religious system on the basis of Christ’s descent “???? ?????” from Abraham. In other words, they tried to present Christ as one of the great teachers of Judaism. Undoubtedly this served the ultimate purpose of Judaism to maintain its national unity and eventually its very existence in view of the Church’s expansion among Jews and Gentiles. This, as was noted, constituted the most serious threat against the Church’s existence.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">****</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Against the Jewish misconceptions regarding the Gospel, Paul opposes Christ’s love for all men stresses the universal character of his death. ‘Christ’s love, he says, forces us; “??????? ????” to assume that one died for all; therefore all died’ (vs. 14). In other words, Christ’s death did not affect certain persons, but humanity as a whole in its very nature. And he died for all, he continues, so that those who live by having appropriated his death, “?????? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ??? ?????????” (vs. 15). Therefore, from now on we regard no one according to his descent (“???? ?????”); and even though we have known Christ as a Jew according to his descent, we know him thus no longer (vs. 16). Thus whoever is in Christ, he is a new creation (“????? ??????”); the old standards have passed away, behold everything has become new (vs. 17).</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">That this thesis is absolutely in line with Paul’s expressed elsewhere needs not be mentioned. (Voulgaris, id.)</span></p>
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<h2>My Comment on Voulgaris</h2>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Voulgaris wants us to understand that verse 16 means "we have known Christ as a Jew" rather than we have known him "according to the flesh." Voulgaris built this grand scheme up to make a point that is simply counter-textual. Paul did not say "Jew" when he used the word "flesh" in the verse examples cited by Voulgaris. The claim "flesh" means as a "Jew" was an abstraction not an interpretation by Voulgaris of 5:16 and those supposed proof texts. Moreover, the literal usage of the term "flesh" in those other passages simply concretely dealt with people or events which differ from verse 16.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Moreover, even if one conceded Voulgaris's point, so what? It is still compatible with what Bultman said. For if we no longer know Jesus as as Jew, it means we no longer know Jesus when He preached the Law's continuity in Matthew 5:17-19, and quoted the Law repeatedly in His earthly ministry. If Paul no longer wants us to know Jesus was a Jewish prophet, as Voulgaris's contends, it still carries the implication of what Bultmann said was Paul's express meaning. We can supposedly dispense with the message of Jesus when in the flesh (of a Jew) and who taught Jewish legal principles because Paul allegedly has the greater message that the Law is abolished.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Indeed, Voulgaris himself says Paul declared the Law abolished, and thus the refutation of Jesus's words in Matt. 5:17-19 by Paul is plain and clear even in Voulgaris's mind. So whether "in the flesh" meant as a pre-ascension human as Bultmann claimed or as a Jew, as Voulgaris claimed, Paul meant for us to no longer know Jesus through that period of His teachings. We are supposedly only to know Jesus through the post-Ascension period which prior to John's Revelation would mean we were 100% to know Christ through Paul's gospel.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">In sum, Voulgaris's highly strained argument which makes no great advance on reading the passage. Bultmann's reading thus appear that much stronger. This is especially true if this is the kind of case one must raise to fight against it.</span></p>
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