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<h1>Chapter Twenty-Six: John 3:16: Does Obeying Unto Christ Save? (Part Two)</h1>
<h3><strong><span style="color: #000080;">Thayer and Parkhurst On Obedience Meaning Of Pisteuo</span></strong></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This obedience-meaning for pisteuo is also reflected by other evangelical lexicographers. These reputable Christian scholars are evidently trying to gently disabuse Christians from the idea of belief alone as the primary meaning of these words in the New Testament. For example, J.H. Thayer is the most highly honored lexicographer of New Testament Greek. Nevertheless, Thayer noted pistis — the noun formed from pisteuo — is “used especially of the faith by which a man embraces Jesus, i.e., a conviction, full of joyful trust....conjoined with obedience to Christ.” (Thayer, <em>Greek-English Lexicon</em> (T. &amp; T. <img src="http://books.google.com/books?id=HKRWAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA683&amp;img=1&amp;zoom=3&amp;hl=en&amp;sig=ACfU3U1fMeX0ShaoONZAP8wM9-7DsNG31Q&amp;ci=505%2C1496%2C419%2C57&amp;edge=0" style="float: right;" />Clark: 1958) at 511.) Likewise, Parkhurst, who enjoys similar repute, said in 1829 of<em> pisteuo</em> in John 3:16 that it simultaneously means a “cordial reception&nbsp;<img src="http://books.google.com/books?id=HKRWAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA684&amp;img=1&amp;zoom=3&amp;hl=en&amp;sig=ACfU3U1OHAYISI-EkTD9oxxD73SPVYfuLw&amp;ci=101%2C147%2C415%2C64&amp;edge=0" style="float: right;" />[belief] ... and obedience.....” (Parkhurst, <em>A Greek and English Lexicon to the New Testament</em> (1829) at<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HKRWAAAAcAAJ&amp;dq=parkhurst%20lexicon&amp;pg=PA684#v=snippet&amp;q=cordial&amp;f=false"> 683-84</a>.)</span></p>
<h3>‘<strong><span style="color: #000080;" data-mce-mark="1">Obey’ Fits Other Passages</span></strong></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">If pisteuo means obey here, then John 3:16 would be merely repeating Hebrews 5:9 which explicitly says: “He became the author of eternal salvation unto all of them that&nbsp;are obeying Him.” (Obey is <em>hoopakouo</em> in continuous tense.)<sup><strong>9</strong></sup></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Likewise, if <em>pisteuo </em>means obey in John 3:16, it would fit John 8:51 which says: “anyone who keeps on obeying (<em>tereo</em>, ‘diligently following’ in a continuous tense) my teaching should never ever die.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">It would also perfectly match Peter’s declaration to the High Priest in Acts 5:32: “And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that [keep on] obey[ing] (<em>peitharcheo</em>, continuous tense) him.”(Act 5:32 ASV.) <em>Peitharcheo</em> means literally <em>submission to a judge</em>, and its typical usage means <em>obey</em>. Here, Peter says God’s Holy Spirit is given to those who “keep on obeying [Jesus].”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, translating <em>pisteuo</em> in John 3:16 as obey or comply, if truly the intention of Jesus, would match other Greek synonyms which are used to mean obey and which likewise appear in salvation-formula statements. These equivalent statements which conditioned salvation on obedience use distinct but yet synonymous verbs for obedience:<em> tereo</em> — diligently follow or obey; <em>peitharcheo</em> — submit to a judge or obey; and <em>hoopakouo</em> — listen attentively to or obey. (John 8:51; Acts 5:32; Heb. 5:9.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Hence, the translation of <em>pisteuo</em> in John 3:16 as obey has serious possibilities. It is a true dictionary meaning. It is not merely a suggestion or contrived idea. Moreover, if intended in John 3:16, we see it fits well into other verses which explicitly emphasize obedience for salvation-sake as used by Jesus, the Apostle Peter and the writer of Hebrews.</span></p>
<h3><strong><span style="color: #000080;">‘Trust’ Meanings Of Pisteuo</span></strong></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">There are still other translation options of <em>pisteuo</em> to consider. In Liddell-Scott, four of the other six meanings of the verb pisteuo center on trust or entrust. See Footnote 7, page <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=4V8tMJ75bnwC&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;dq=jesus%20words%20on%20salvation&amp;pg=PA423">423</a>.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">[2012 ADDITION: In Galatians 2:7, Paul says the Gospel to the Gentiles was "entrusted" -- pisteuo -- "to me." C Winn comments that&nbsp;Jerome made this clear in his Latin Vultage so that his definition of <em>pisteuo</em> in Gal 2:7 "was entrusted to," and thus, "by doing so, he undermined his translation of <em>pisteuo</em> as 'faith 'elsewhere." This 'trust' meaning is proven by <em>Vine's Dictionary</em> which identifies "entrusted to" is from 'pisteuo' as used in Gal. 2:7, Romans 3:2, 1 Cor. 9:17, Titus 1:3, and 1 Thess. 2:4 (see Vine's <a href="http://gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?search=pisteuo&amp;dict=vine&amp;lang=greek"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Pisteuo</span></a>): <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">pisteuo</span> "to believe," also means "to entrust," and in the Active Voice is translated "to commit," in <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=Luke%2016:11;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Luke 16:11;</span></a> <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=John%202:24;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">John 2:24;</span></a> in the Passive Voice, "to be intrusted with," <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=Rom%203:2,"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Rom 3:2,</span></a> RV, "they were intrusted with" (AV, "unto them were committed") of Israel and the oracles of God; <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=1%20Cor%209:17,"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">1 Cor 9:17,</span></a> RV, "I have ... entrusted to me" (AV, "is committed unto me"), of Paul and the stewardship of the Gospel; so <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=Gal%202:7;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Gal 2:7;</span></a><a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=Titus%201:3;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Titus 1:3;</span></a> in <a href="http://www.gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?passage=1%20Thess%202:4,"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">1 Thess 2:4,</span></a> where he associates with himself his fellow missionaries, RV, "to be entrusted with" (AV, "to be put in trust with")." Let the reader<em><strong> b</strong><strong>eware that later compilations such as Westcott Hort</strong></em> removed <em>pisteuo</em> in Gal. <a href="http://biblos.com/galatians/2-7.htm"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">2:7</span></a>, and replaced it with <a href="http://concordances.org/greek/pepisteumai_4100.htm" title="pepisteumai: I have been entrusted with -- Occurrence 2 of 2."><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">pepisteumai</span></a>. See this <a href="http://biblos.com/galatians/2-7.htm"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">link</span></a>. Cfr. <a href="http://biblos.com/galatians/2-7.htm"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; background-color: #c0c0c0;">Tischendorf</span></a> (pisteuo).]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;" data-mce-mark="1">These words <strong><em>trust</em></strong> or <em><strong>entrust</strong></em> are not to be confused with “trust in some fact.” Some like Stanley accept pisteuo really means trust, but then immediately try to dilute the meaning of trust so it is indistinguishable from belief alone. Instead, trust implies follow and/or obey, and is distinguishable from believe in a fact. Based on accepting trust as the meaning here, Stanley dilutes it to a trust that Jesus’ atonement is sufficient without any works of obedience ever necessary on our part. (Stanley, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Eternal Security, supra,</span> at 33-34.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Instead, the meaning of <em>pisteuo</em> as trust is not so shallow. Another eminent Protestant scholar of the Greek, W. E. Vine in his <span style="text-decoration: underline;">An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words </span>(Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1984) explains when <strong><em>pisteuo</em></strong> means trust, then pisteuo means “not mere credence” (belief alone) but instead, “reliance upon.” He means a reliance like you would rely upon your doctor’s orders. You&nbsp;would follow or obey your doctor’s guidance.<sup><strong>10</strong></sup></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Thus, to trust Jesus, if the correct translation, would mean to trust Him as the doctor of your soul. If your doctor pays you a visit, gives you a sermon on how you need to live differently, e.g., be a peacemaker, not lust adulterously, not make false vows, etc., in order to have a “righteousness” greater than all the teachers you had before and “enter heaven” (Matt. 5:20, 23:23), you mean by such trust to say you are going to trust the doctor’s prescriptions. You will obey the doctor’s orders.</span></p>
<h3><span style="color: #000080;"><strong>“Belief In Facts” Meaning Of Pisteuo</strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">Nevertheless, in one usage identified in Liddell-Scott, pisteuo can be translated as someone believes that something is true. Or it can mean to be confident in a fact. (See Footnote 7, page<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=4V8tMJ75bnwC&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;dq=jesus%20words%20on%20salvation&amp;pg=PA423"> 423</a>.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">This belief-in-a-fact usage out of six possible meanings leaves open the door — ever so slightly — that the speaker (Jesus) in John 3:16 could mean potentially belief in some fact or truth. This belief-usage does not imply, by itself,&nbsp;obedience or compliance is what should lead to eternal life. Thus, the belief alone option has to be on the table at the outset.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="color: #000080;"><a href="/books/163-chapter-26-3jwos.html"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; color: #000080;">Continue to Part 3-</span></a></span></strong></span></p>
<h3><span style="color: #000080; font-size: large;">FOOTNOTES TO PART TWO</span></h3>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">&nbsp;9. It literally means to listen attentively.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">10. An online reprint is at<a href="http://www.bibletexts.com/glossary/belief.htm"> http://www.bibletexts.com/glossary/belief.htm</a> (accessed 7-5-07).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: 'times new roman', times;">11. Westcott-Hort, Nestle-Asland 26 (<a href="http://www.thenazareneway.com/greek_new_test/john.htm">http://www.thenazareneway.com/greek_new_test/john.htm</a>); Stephen's Textus Receptus 1550; Scrivner 1894; Byzantine Majority (<a href="http://www.awmach.org/webo/BGR/joh.htm#3:1">http://www.awmach.org/webo/BGR/joh.htm#3:1</a>(accessed 7-4-07)</span></p>
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