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### The Apostle Paul, Simon Magus, And Marcion
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I think the connection between Simon Magus and the Apostle Paul is
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fairly compelling. In Acts of the Apostles 8, Simon Magus, a baptized
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member of the inner circle, tries to buy a seat at the Apostles’ table:
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word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria…When Simon saw that
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the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he
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offered them money ^19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that
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everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
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because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money.
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event in Galatians 2:
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James, Cephas^ (Peter) and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me
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and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the
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grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles,
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and they to the circumcised. ^10 All they asked was that we should
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continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do
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all along… When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face,
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because he stood condemned
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Here, we have a rift between Peter and Paul where Paul called into
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question Peter’s ideological commitment to Mosaic law. The final word
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here was to “remember the poor” – a reference to money exchange of some
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sort. Are we talking about the same story here, told by 2 different
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participants? Seems plausible to me.
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How does Marcion fit in? According to Robert Price, Marcion was the
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first person to really use Paul as a foundation for his theology –
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Price says Marcion “discovered” Paul’s letter to the Galatians
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(Tertullian used the word “finding” in his book “Against Marcion” –
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[11]book 4, chapter 3 – I’m up in the air about whether Tertullian
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meant he discovered it – I’d have to see the original Latin to get
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better insight). The story of Marcion goes that he was a wealthy
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shipyard owner who lived in Northern Turkey. He was a prominent
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member of, and had donated a large sum of money to the Roman church.
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After Marcion was deemed a heretic, sometime in the 130s, the church
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returned that money to him, and ex-communicated him (or whatever the
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church did at the time).
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I think this hypothesis fits – at least tentatively: Marcion invented
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Paul, who was in turn originally demonized by some groups in the early
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Christian church, but eventually converted to Simon Magus for the
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purpose of reintegrating Paul into the canon, notice that in Acts, as
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well as a couple epistles, a character named Apollos is introduced as a
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man educated in the Greek tradition, hailing from Alexandria.
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In previous posts, I’ve linked Apollos to Philo of Alexandria to create
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a plausible link between Philo’s earliest notions of a Judaic messiah
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and the eventual historicized Christ.
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I think it’s equally as plausible that Apollos in the Pauline texts and
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Acts was simply a representation of Apollonius of Tyana, whose life
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greatly resembles both Jesus Christ and Paul.
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I think the great link here, to get from Paul to the proto-orthodoxy
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is the Valentinians. It’s well-known that the Valentinians did not
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secede from the church; rather, they remained in the church, on the
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lookout for people who were ready to receive gnosis. The Valentinians
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were fond of Paul (and claimed Valentinus received instruction from
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Paul’s disciple Theudas, as well as revelation from Jesus). The
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Valentinians were also fond of the Johannine texts, which probably
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originated in Western Turkey. Who lives in Western Turkey? Polycarp.
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All signs point back to Polycarp, whose disciple was Irenaeus, who in
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180 was quite zealous to deem Marcion and Valentinus as heretics.
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I think the connection between Simon Magus and the Apostle Paul is
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fairly compelling. In Acts of the Apostles 8, Simon Magus, a baptized
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member of the inner circle, tries to buy a seat at the Apostles’ table:
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When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the
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word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria…When Simon saw that
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the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he
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offered them money ^19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that
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everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
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^20 Peter (Cephas) answered: “May your money perish with you,
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because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money
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Compare Peter’s scorn and the money issue with Paul’s description of an
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event in Galatians 2:
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James, Cephas^ (Peter) and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me
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and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the
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grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles,
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and they to the circumcised. ^10 All they asked was that we should
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continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do
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all along… When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face,
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because he stood condemned
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Here, we have a rift between Peter and Paul where Paul called into
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question Peter’s ideological commitment to Mosaic law. The final word
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here was to “remember the poor” – a reference to money exchange of some
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sort. Are we talking about the same story here, told by 2 different
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participants? Seems plausible to me.
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How does Marcion fit in? According to Robert Price, Marcion was the
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first person to really use Paul as a foundation for his theology –
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Price says Marcion “discovered” Paul’s letter to the Galatians
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(Tertullian used the word “finding” in his book “Against Marcion” –
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[11]book 4, chapter 3 – I’m up in the air about whether Tertullian
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meant he discovered it – I’d have to see the original Latin to get
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better insight). The story of Marcion goes that he was a wealthy
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shipyard owner who lived in Northern Turkey. He was a prominent member
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of, and had donated a large sum of money to the Roman church. After
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Marcion was deemed a heretic, sometime in the 130s, the church returned
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that money to him, and ex-communicated him (or whatever the church did
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at the time).
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I think this hypothesis fits – at least tentatively: Marcion invented
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Paul, who was in turn originally demonized by some groups in the early
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Christian church, but eventually converted to Simon Magus for the
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purpose of reintegrating Paul into the canon, notice that in Acts, as
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well as a couple epistles, a character named Apollos is introduced as a
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man educated in the Greek tradition, hailing from Alexandria.
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In previous posts, I’ve linked Apollos to Philo of Alexandria to create
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a plausible link between Philo’s earliest notions of a Judaic messiah
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and the eventual historicized Christ.
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I think it’s equally as plausible that Apollos in the Pauline texts and
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Acts was simply a representation of Apollonius of Tyana, whose life
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greatly resembles both Jesus Christ and Paul.
|
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I think the great link here, to get from Paul to the proto-orthodoxy is
|
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the Valentinians. It’s well-known that the Valentinians did not secede
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from the church; rather, they remained in the church, on the lookout
|
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for people who were ready to receive gnosis. The Valentinians were
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fond of Paul (and claimed Valentinus received instruction from Paul’s
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disciple Theudas, as well as revelation from Jesus). The Valentinians
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were also fond of the Johannine texts, which probably originated in
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Western Turkey. Who lives in Western Turkey? Polycarp. All
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signs point back to Polycarp, whose disciple was Irenaeus, who in 180
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Simon Magus is a pseudonym which Clementine used to conceal the
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identity of Saul in order that it might survive for posterity’s
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Simon Magus is arguing with Peter. Read the Pauline epistles and
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Christ. Paul believed there was a just God over the Jews, and a
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third heaven, or paradise where he doesn’t remember if he was in or
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out of his body, stating twice, and claiming he does not lie, with
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God as his witness of course. The man was shameful. Now go and
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learn about Cerdo and Marcion, before you start hurling the word
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heretical against brothers who are trying to teach you the truth
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which you were “never” intended to see. Pray God that He might
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24. http://michaelduncanlive.wordpress.com/
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25. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/#comment-17610
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32. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/#comment-17938
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42. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/early-christianity-in-a-nutshell/
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43. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/matthew-vs-paul-a-race-to-invent-jesus/
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44. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/christ-myth-theory/
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45. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/
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46. https://wordpress.com/?ref=footer_website
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47. https://automattic.com/cookies/
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52. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/
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53. https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/wp-admin/customize.php?url=https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/
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57. https://wordpress.com/log-in?redirect_to=https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/&signup_flow=account
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58. https://wp.me/p5m5ry-mC
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59. http://en.wordpress.com/abuse/?report_url=https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/
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60. https://wordpress.com/read/blogs/79145824/posts/1402
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61. https://subscribe.wordpress.com/
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