From ded930ab29b93ef38af964d84f04885878b052e7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: embed Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 08:12:49 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] Markdown syntax 6 --- ApostlePaulSimonMagusAndMarcion.md | 74 ++++++ apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion.md | 317 ------------------------ 2 files changed, 74 insertions(+), 317 deletions(-) create mode 100644 ApostlePaulSimonMagusAndMarcion.md delete mode 100644 apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion.md diff --git a/ApostlePaulSimonMagusAndMarcion.md b/ApostlePaulSimonMagusAndMarcion.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..41d15b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/ApostlePaulSimonMagusAndMarcion.md @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ + +### The Apostle Paul, Simon Magus, And Marcion + +https://timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/index.html + +I think the connection between Simon Magus and the Apostle Paul is +fairly compelling. In Acts of the Apostles 8, Simon Magus, a baptized +member of the inner circle, tries to buy a seat at the Apostles’ table: + + When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the + word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria…When Simon saw that + the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he + offered them money ^19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that + everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” + + 20 Peter (Cephas) answered: “May your money perish with you, + because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money. + +Compare Peter’s scorn and the money issue with Paul’s description of an +event in Galatians 2: + + James, Cephas^ (Peter) and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me + and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the + grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, + and they to the circumcised. ^10 All they asked was that we should + continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do + all along… When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, + because he stood condemned + +Here, we have a rift between Peter and Paul where Paul called into +question Peter’s ideological commitment to Mosaic law. The final word +here was to “remember the poor” – a reference to money exchange of some +sort. Are we talking about the same story here, told by 2 different +participants? Seems plausible to me. + +How does Marcion fit in? According to Robert Price, Marcion was the +first person to really use Paul as a foundation for his theology – +Price says Marcion “discovered” Paul’s letter to the Galatians +(Tertullian used the word “finding” in his book “Against Marcion” – +[11]book 4, chapter 3 – I’m up in the air about whether Tertullian +meant he discovered it – I’d have to see the original Latin to get +better insight). The story of Marcion goes that he was a wealthy +shipyard owner who lived in Northern Turkey. He was a prominent +member of, and had donated a large sum of money to the Roman church. +After Marcion was deemed a heretic, sometime in the 130s, the church +returned that money to him, and ex-communicated him (or whatever the +church did at the time). + +I think this hypothesis fits – at least tentatively: Marcion invented +Paul, who was in turn originally demonized by some groups in the early +Christian church, but eventually converted to Simon Magus for the +purpose of reintegrating Paul into the canon, notice that in Acts, as +well as a couple epistles, a character named Apollos is introduced as a +man educated in the Greek tradition, hailing from Alexandria. + +In previous posts, I’ve linked Apollos to Philo of Alexandria to create +a plausible link between Philo’s earliest notions of a Judaic messiah +and the eventual historicized Christ. + +I think it’s equally as plausible that Apollos in the Pauline texts and +Acts was simply a representation of Apollonius of Tyana, whose life +greatly resembles both Jesus Christ and Paul. + +I think the great link here, to get from Paul to the proto-orthodoxy +is the Valentinians. It’s well-known that the Valentinians did not +secede from the church; rather, they remained in the church, on the +lookout for people who were ready to receive gnosis. The Valentinians +were fond of Paul (and claimed Valentinus received instruction from +Paul’s disciple Theudas, as well as revelation from Jesus). The +Valentinians were also fond of the Johannine texts, which probably +originated in Western Turkey. Who lives in Western Turkey? Polycarp. +All signs point back to Polycarp, whose disciple was Irenaeus, who in +180 was quite zealous to deem Marcion and Valentinus as heretics. + diff --git a/apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion.md b/apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion.md deleted file mode 100644 index 5bc3dcd..0000000 --- a/apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion.md +++ /dev/null @@ -1,317 +0,0 @@ -./net/Http/timsteppingout.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/the-apostle-paul-simon-magus-and-marcion/index.html - #[1]Tim Stepping Out » Feed [2]Tim Stepping Out » Comments Feed [3]Tim - Stepping Out » The Apostle Paul, Simon Magus, And Marcion Comments Feed - [4]alternate [5]alternate [6]Tim Stepping Out [7]WordPress.com - - [8]Skip to content - - [9]Tim Stepping Out - - The Babblings of A Christ Mythicist. - (BUTTON) Menu - - * [10]The Christ Myth Theory - -The Apostle Paul, Simon Magus, And Marcion - - I think the connection between Simon Magus and the Apostle Paul is - fairly compelling. In Acts of the Apostles 8, Simon Magus, a baptized - member of the inner circle, tries to buy a seat at the Apostles’ table: - - When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the - word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria…When Simon saw that - the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he - offered them money ^19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that - everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” - - ^20 Peter (Cephas) answered: “May your money perish with you, - because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money - - Compare Peter’s scorn and the money issue with Paul’s description of an - event in Galatians 2: - - James, Cephas^ (Peter) and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me - and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the - grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, - and they to the circumcised. ^10 All they asked was that we should - continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do - all along… When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, - because he stood condemned - - Here, we have a rift between Peter and Paul where Paul called into - question Peter’s ideological commitment to Mosaic law. The final word - here was to “remember the poor” – a reference to money exchange of some - sort. Are we talking about the same story here, told by 2 different - participants? Seems plausible to me. - - How does Marcion fit in? According to Robert Price, Marcion was the - first person to really use Paul as a foundation for his theology – - Price says Marcion “discovered” Paul’s letter to the Galatians - (Tertullian used the word “finding” in his book “Against Marcion” – - [11]book 4, chapter 3 – I’m up in the air about whether Tertullian - meant he discovered it – I’d have to see the original Latin to get - better insight). The story of Marcion goes that he was a wealthy - shipyard owner who lived in Northern Turkey. He was a prominent member - of, and had donated a large sum of money to the Roman church. After - Marcion was deemed a heretic, sometime in the 130s, the church returned - that money to him, and ex-communicated him (or whatever the church did - at the time). - - I think this hypothesis fits – at least tentatively: Marcion invented - Paul, who was in turn originally demonized by some groups in the early - Christian church, but eventually converted to Simon Magus for the - purpose of reintegrating Paul into the canon, notice that in Acts, as - well as a couple epistles, a character named Apollos is introduced as a - man educated in the Greek tradition, hailing from Alexandria. - - In previous posts, I’ve linked Apollos to Philo of Alexandria to create - a plausible link between Philo’s earliest notions of a Judaic messiah - and the eventual historicized Christ. - - I think it’s equally as plausible that Apollos in the Pauline texts and - Acts was simply a representation of Apollonius of Tyana, whose life - greatly resembles both Jesus Christ and Paul. - - I think the great link here, to get from Paul to the proto-orthodoxy is - the Valentinians. It’s well-known that the Valentinians did not secede - from the church; rather, they remained in the church, on the lookout - for people who were ready to receive gnosis. The Valentinians were - fond of Paul (and claimed Valentinus received instruction from Paul’s - disciple Theudas, as well as revelation from Jesus). The Valentinians - were also fond of the Johannine texts, which probably originated in - Western Turkey. Who lives in Western Turkey? Polycarp. All - signs point back to Polycarp, whose disciple was Irenaeus, who in 180 - was quite zealous to deem Marcion and Valentinus as heretics. - -Share this: - - * [12]Twitter - * [13]Facebook - * - -Like this: - - Like Loading... - -Related - -Author: Tim...Stepping Out - - Tim Stepping Out [14]View all posts by Tim...Stepping Out - - Author [15]Tim...Stepping OutPosted on [16]January 7, 2016March 6, - 2017Categories [17]Early Christianity, [18]UncategorizedTags - [19]Appolonius of Tyana, [20]Johannines, [21]Marcion, [22]Paul, - [23]Simon Magus - -3 thoughts on “The Apostle Paul, Simon Magus, And Marcion” - - 1. - [24]michaelduncanlive says: - [25]August 4, 2020 at 5:12 am - This is a heretical suggestion and throws the account of the rest - of Acts away in place of an anti Pauline heretical reasoning. Quite - simply a puffed up piece of work with no historical merits meant to - attack the gospel of grace and take us captive with an argument to - run back to the law. Stop publishing heretical suggestions… - [26]LikeLike - [27]Reply - 1. - [28]Tim...Stepping Out says: - [29]August 4, 2020 at 9:16 am - You’re probably not going to like my other stuff… - [30]LikeLike - [31]Reply - 2. - David says: - [32]February 14, 2021 at 6:55 pm - Michael - Simon Magus is a pseudonym which Clementine used to conceal the - identity of Saul in order that it might survive for posterity’s - sake. In the epistles written to James by both Peter and Clementine - you can see the reference to the man Peter was pursuing as far as - Rome to enlighten the West, but neither he nor Clementine name him. - And yet, the bulk of the homily involves his discourse with Simon. - So if it’s Simon they are referring to when writing to James, since - that’s essentially the bulk of the homilies, why not simply refer - to him as Simon? - Moreover, if you read (for understanding) the epistles of Paul, you - see he’s always contending with Peter time and again. The man was - consumed with hatred and disdain for Peter. The whole of Galatians - is precisely that, as other epistles. Finally, when one comes to - the understanding that Paul is constantly defending his positions - in opposition to Peter and the apostles, and the true teachings of - Christ, you can plainly see Paul’s positions are the same ones - Simon Magus is arguing with Peter. Read the Pauline epistles and - see how often he says, God, even the Father, and our Lord Jesus - Christ. Paul believed there was a just God over the Jews, and a - good God above Him. That would be the same God He refers to in the - third heaven, or paradise where he doesn’t remember if he was in or - out of his body, stating twice, and claiming he does not lie, with - God as his witness of course. The man was shameful. Now go and - learn about Cerdo and Marcion, before you start hurling the word - heretical against brothers who are trying to teach you the truth - which you were “never” intended to see. 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