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Did Marcion Write the "Pauline" Letters

Proxy baptism for the dead (1Cor. 15:29)
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Did Marcion Write the "Pauline" Letters

We ask the question because it is central to the thesis of the Tubingen School PaulineEpistlesDetering: is there any evidence of the existence of the Paulines before Marcion? Not just things that sound like they're Paulunist, but explicitly referring to the Paulines as if they are Epistles.

The Letters of Ignatius of Antioch are very Paulunist, but so far we haven't seen anything that makes me say "Pauline Epistle". And they're about the only supposed retort the classic Tubingen/F.C. Bauer/Detering thesis we know of.

As the Letters are so much of a mess, we decided they can't be used for anything serious anyway. But we came across a supposed retort that assumes some recension of the letters is valid, but the only things in there that we saw was "literary contact", "similarities in vocabulary" etc.; nothing that would come up to our standards.

So we're still left with nothing serious referring to the Paulines before Tertullian or P46, which is 200AD +/- 25

There is a really good summary article one why this is important by Hermann Detering: The Dutch Radical Approach to the Pauline Epistles.

It's a summary but there is at least one new thing in there which stopped us dead in our tracks (pun intended):

Proxy baptism for the dead (1Cor. 15:29)

See 4.4 in PaulineEpistlesDetering:

Proxy baptism for the dead (1Cor. 15:29) has not been confirmed earlier than among the Marcionites in the second century.

John Chrysostom, X 378c Montf. (Cramer, 310f.) reports that "when a catechumen among the Marcionites had died, he was asked whether he desired to be baptized; the positive reply then came from a brother who was hiding under the bed; then baptism was administered" (cited by Harnack, Marcion, 176; *367). The so-called vicarious baptism could also have been practised among the (equally Gnostic) Cerinthians (Epiph. Haer. 28.6.4).

There is absolutely no way proxy baptism could be in a pre-60 AD story line. NO WAY. The Jamesian church was less than 30 years old, and they were all deep Hebrew believers (except the Apostate SPaul).

Hence 1Cor. is post-150 AD at least; proxy baptism would not be until whatever the Marcionite church was well established, with enough dying Marcionites to need proxying, to such an extent they felt it necessary to work it into Holy Scripture.

So in keeping with Detering, we take a confirmed position on this:

1Cor. and by implication 2Cor., Rom., and Gal. (at least) are Marcionite works,
and the Paul of the Paulines is a literary extrapolation of the Paul of Acts
by the Marcionites (Marcions mentors, or Marcion, or his followers).

There's also the "husband is dead"/"Jehovah is dead" part of Romans 7 which is also purely, and unabashedly, Marcionite.

We understand that the Paulines post-150 AD will have some dating reprecussions, be that as it may, but we can let the Tubingen school speak to that.

Links

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